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Acoustic Drum Triggering

Discussion in 'Drums' started by jensbogren, Aug 22, 2003.

  1. jensbogren

    jensbogren Guest

    Anyone using this technology?? I´m always doing it afterwards, with the "audio to midi groove template" in Logic, and then the NNXT sampler in Reason (Rewire from Pro Tools).. The "audio to midi groove template" works much better if you do a "telephone" eq to the snare and toms. Anyone having other ways of doing this?? I´ve used tons of outboard triggers, but never found anyone accurate enough to stay in phase with the original signal (even after time-compensation). And another thing: Try the Milab VM41 on the snare side, it´s the best!
  2. falkon2

    falkon2 Well-Known Member

    Drumagog, with SONAR. Call me n00bish if you must (Kurt :D ) but If it's a mixed drum track or there's a ton of leakage, I use a sonogram to see which frequencies light up the most for the drum I want to retrigger (in the original track), then I cut away everything else.

    Sometimes, when softer hits don't trigger, I use the volume envelope to bump the track above the threshold for Drumagog, then lower Drumagog's output for that moment as well (<3 SONAR envelopes). Likewise, when an overly loud snare triggers kickdrum, I dip the volume there so that it goes below the trigger treshold.
  3. jensbogren

    jensbogren Guest

    OK! Never used Sonar, only heard about it! What is it??
  4. falkon2

    falkon2 Well-Known Member

    Cakewalk SONAR, DAW software, not unlike Pro Tools, Nuendo, Cubase, etc.

    Most people consider it a toy more than a tool, but I like it. It's hassle free, and it runs like a charm without the need for any external hardware of sorts (I work on a laptop for now).

  5. AudioGaff

    AudioGaff Well-Known Member

    I do this all the time with either an E-mu E-Synth sampler, or the sampler in my Eventide DSP4500.
  6. jensbogren

    jensbogren Guest

    Does it handle the actual audio to midi triggering? Can it alternate between different samples in the same velocity-layer?
  7. Marcus Black

    Marcus Black Guest

    I was recently introduced to Drumagog during a mixdown session. Have done triggering a lot of ways, Drumagog seemed to be very nice. It ran on a Paris system, don´t really know what platforms it´s available to. Will check out, though. It´s at least the fastest way (least time to set-up) to do triggering I´ve seen. The audio-to-midi groove template in Logic I find not to be very accurate, gives some errors.
  8. AudioGaff

    AudioGaff Well-Known Member

    See post below...

    [ August 25, 2003, 03:35 PM: Message edited by: AudioGaff ]
  9. AudioGaff

    AudioGaff Well-Known Member

    [ August 25, 2003, 03:34 PM: Message edited by: AudioGaff ]
  10. AudioGaff

    AudioGaff Well-Known Member

    With the E-mu, I don't need to do external MIDI triggering from audio. I just audio trigger the sample from MIDI keys or MIDI pad controller. But I'm fairly sure the E-mu could do external MIDI trigger from audio if needed as well as the DSP4500. When using the Eventide DSP4500 or TC M5000, I load the sampler with the sound I want and trigger it from audio/MIDI/footswitch. I can also use MIDI trigger from audio with my Roland Octapad-II or rent/borrow an Alesis D4. As for the velocity question, the E-mu does as it is velocity per sample capable. The DSP4500 and M5000 are playback only types.
  11. falkon2

    falkon2 Well-Known Member


    Drumagog link.

    Drumagog allows you to set filters(hi/lowpass/bandpass) to bring out the specific drum you want from an audio input, allows multiple samples for each of definable multiple velocity layers, exports to midi, you name it, it does it.

    With some ingenuity (like my use of volume envelopes in SONAR to squelch unwanted notes and bring out ghost notes, for example), it's an even more powerful tool.

    But hey, go visit the site and get the whole list of features.

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