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Acoustic guitar

Discussion in 'Guitars' started by chips, Oct 17, 2007.

  1. chips

    chips Guest

    Hi

    i am about to start recording a project that will be mainly finger picked quiet guitar and vox.

    My Neumann M149 which I was hoping to use has developed a fault and its gonna take a couple of weeks at least to get back from the servive center.

    I am going to take the plunge and purchase my 2nd "high quality" (or maybe 3rd as i also own an AKG414) condensor mic.

    What do you recommend ?
    I cant decide whether to go for a small diaphragm (geffell M300, Neumann KM184) which I could use on acoustic

    or large diaphragm (Brauner phantom anniversary edition, Soundelux U195)

    What do you think ? LDC or SDC for acoustic ? and waht do you think of the above mics or can you suggest anything else in the same price range ?

    Thanks
     
  2. Link555

    Link555 Well-Known Member

    I love the QTC 50's on acoustic guitar. SHure SM81 are very nice too.
     
  3. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    Budget?
    Single mic or pair?
    Are you recording this performer in the studio or live?
    One-take (guitar and vox concurrently) or tracked with guitar and vocals laid down separately?
     
  4. fourone3

    fourone3 Active Member

    sE showcased their the GM10 at AES. I thought it sounded pretty good given the environment of the noisy expo.
     
  5. chips

    chips Guest

    Thanks for the replys.
    Boswell :
    Budget? £700 ($1400)

    Single mic or pair? : whatever is going to get me the best sound for my budget. i am open to suggestions

    Are you recording this performer in the studio or live? : Studio

    One-take (guitar and vox concurrently) or tracked with guitar and vocals laid down separately?
    :Guitar and vox laid down seperately

    I have a great river and a hamptone valve preamp.
    Noise is going to be an issue as it is very quiet finger picking style guitar.

    Any suggestions appreciated.
    Great forum
    Thanks
     
  6. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    Quiet finger-picked guitar: guitars are normally the province of SDCs, but with this spec and budget, I would reach for my pair of LDC Rode NT2-As and set them up in M-S. They are one of the lowest-noise quality mics around. I use them through DAV preamps, but I'm sure they would sound good through the Great River. If your budget can stretch to a U195, you are in a different league, of course, but I think you should at least try the sound of a pair of mics in M-S on guitar before settling for a single more expensive mic.

    Vocals: your choice to suit the singer, but an EV RE20 is an excellent dynamic. However, to keep within the budget you could use the NT2-A or look at one of the AT range of medium-diaphragm condensers such as the AT4033A.

    Don't forget you need to budget for shock mounts, and for the vocals, a pop filter.
     
  7. chips

    chips Guest

    Thanks for that. I will look into the Rodes.

    I have also been offered the loan of a single Neumann KM184 which is a small condenser. Is it possible to get a good sound from just one of these on an acoustic ?
     
  8. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    Yes, of course. It's a good mic. I think my point relates more to the configuration of the mics once you have one that gives reasonable results on a guitar. If you just use a single SDC when laying down a guitar track in an acoustically dead studio, in my experience you get a rather uninteresting sound. The detail is there, the range is there, but I think because it's as mono as it gets, one has got accustomed to hearing more width and life in a guitar these days.

    Many years ago I started miking instruments in stereo to give them more width (obviously), but also to give me more flexibility when mixing in with vocals and also other instruments. However, I found X-Y miking did not suit many performers because they moved too much during the song. Not a lot, but too much to keep a constant spatial definition when using X-Y. That's when I tried M-S, and it solved the problem. I can use the M channel as though it were a single mono microphone, and it's much more tolerant of movement of the performer. I then add a little width and presence by bringing in some S channel into the M-S decoder. Usually not as much as full M-S could deliver, but enough to overcome the excessively mono sound of a single mic.

    By the way, don't forget to track a signal from the guitar pickup as well (assuming the performer has one fitted). When it comes to mixdown, to give extra sonic flexibility, you can experiment with adding in a small amount of pickup, delayed by about 1ms to get the phasing right. If you choose to position the guitar off-centre in the mix, adding the pickup in the mirror-image position the other side of the vocal can produce an interesting effect.
     

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