Acoustic guitars for recording?

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  1. Davedog

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    Beautiful!

    I own a 2000 414CE. I bought it new. I had saved a bunch of money at the time and I wanted a 'forever' acoustic....one I could record with as well as play live. At the time there was a nice shop that carried a lot of very good to extreme high-end acoustics. No, not the GitterCenter....This place set them up right and had a nice room with its own heating and cooling where they kept all the big-time stuff.

    I went there specifically looking to buy a Martin. I knew they had an early 50's D18 that I wanted to play as well as a late 60's D41. They also had a 30's 000-21NY which was outside of my rather healthy budget.

    I played 24 or 25 guitars that day. Martins, Taylors, Gibsons, USA built Epiphones, All of them had their quirks and special thing....I played Taylors through the 814 level. I almost pulled the pin on a beautiful 614CE with the most beautiful flamed maple back and sides I've ever seen.

    My friend who worked there was kinda frustrated with me at this point. I had been there for hours trying to decide. I asked him if there were any others he'd recommend. He said no, but they had just gotten a delivery and things were still unpacked on the dock. "Any guitars in it?" He said yeah there was one Taylor....He unboxed it in front of me. It was the 414CE ...they had it on backorder. It came out of a hot case and was in tune still. The balance of the highs and lows was nothing like any of the other 24 or 25 guitars I had played. It even had the cheap electronics in it so pricewise it was less than most of the others. I have recorded many many many tracks with this guitar. It records perfectly even to this day it sounds like it did out of the box. It's a little quieter than a lot of acoustics and I found myself having to really whack it to get any projection from it. It's only drawback. I fixed that by buying a 1971 Gibson J50 which is a damn loud guitar acoustically.

    I love my Taylor. It will never leave me.

    Last year I bought another acoustic for live shows. Its a Korean instrument with a solid top. 000-21 style. I can beat it senseless. AND It sounds great.

    Most of my acoustic instruments are specific in their purpose. A Square neck dobro, round neck dobro, 12 string, a PAPOOSE! you should hear that thing!! An octave mando, gut string....everything to its purpose...Except the Taylor.
     
  2. audiokid

    audiokid Chris Staff

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    Good story, Dave! I love 314ce & 414ce. The whole reason why I'm getting a new acoustic is because my oldest daughter took my loved 314ce.

    I think those two serious have a tone quality for both recording and performing that is hard to beat.

    Sounds like you got a beauty there!!
     
  3. pcrecord

    pcrecord Quality recording seeker ! Distinguished Member

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    Didn't you want to say : '' take my car instead ! '' :ROFLMAO:
     
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  4. DogsoverLava

    DogsoverLava Well-Known Member

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    After buying the 7 and the 9 I'd suspect Chris no longer has a car....
     
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  5. audiokid

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  6. audiokid

    audiokid Chris Staff

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    (updated edit )
    Wow... the 914ce is amazing. The build cannot be seen through any pictures. Seeing it in person exclaims total quality. No bling factor at all. It just looks beautiful, full of passion. Its the best of both the 714ce and the 814ce.

    The tone on this is warmer and fuller in comparison to all the other Taylor series I have played so far, and that is most of the series.
    The top end is what's most impressive to me as its more open and full sounding. I've never heard top E strings sound this rich. The overall tone has a natural reverberation that resonates throughout all the strings better to the other series as well.
    I think this has to do with how the beveled armrest keeps your "arm" from resting, muffling on the sound board. Its really ingenious how they designed the bevel. I would have never imagined you could build an acoustic like this. The armrest is absolutely suburb and very very comfortable.

    The mids sound beautifully balanced but its not a 714ce . I do like the mid (rock and roll) focus of the 714ce better, but the 714ce can't compare to what the 914ce offers beyond that. I would want both 714ce and 914ce in an ideal world. But, I am 99% loving the 914ce mids as this is truly the better all round class acoustic that meets all styles. It is exactly as described in other reviews.

    The bass.... well.... in comparison to the 814ce, I was worried it would sound similar to the 814ce because they both have the advanced bracing and similar build. However, much to my surprise, the 914ce sounds to have an "overall" broader mid balance and with a rich resonance that I never heard with the 814ce and/or all the other series. Actually, this is hands down, the best acoustic I have ever played in 40 years.
    The bass resonates an overall clear and punchy warmth throughout the entire spectrum without bloom boom. Its beautifully voiced.

    The big wow to the 914ce so far... I never expected it to sound as open and to be this inspiring to play.

    I love not feeling a pick guard on my baby finger as well. I always hate the feeling of my baby finger touching the points of a pick guard. That will not be missed!

    The feel of it, how it sits, dangles with a strap around your body is very comfortable.

    The neck is fast and a perfect width for me.
    The Gotoh 510 1:21 tuners and intonation is stellar.

    Its all Taylor at its best. Outstanding.
    It just arrived so time will tell as I am simply in awe right now. I'll report back after a few weeks again.

    Cheers!
     
  7. DogsoverLava

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    Chris will this be an either/or decision or are you doubling down?
     
  8. audiokid

    audiokid Chris Staff

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    sorry for a few edits above. I want to describe what I am experiencing "right now" so its truthful, spontaneous and not an overly seasoned opinion. I've edited the 914ce review a few times now , carefully trying to avoid the infamous "support of purchase" hype.

    This acoustic is incredible, no two ways about it. If I ever get enough extra money to indulge in a second Taylor, I would buy the 714ce for up front rocking acoustic stuff. The 714ce mids are stellar however it lacks in the top and bottom end and "that" elastically snap feel 800 and 900 series have which I suspect could be in part to how the "Advanced Bracing" transfers a "less stiff feel" into the bridge to neck, including a more "vibrant resonance throughout the body that just feels good. :love:
    As you have experienced, Rob... it's a feel hard to describe. You simply have to play the Advanced Bracing builds to know what that feels like.

    The 914ce is the best of all worlds and the feel of it is absolutely stellar.
    The 914ce is the Master guitarists first choice for sure.

    I've measured the specs, checked the neck to bridge alignment which the bridge is slightly low from low humidity. It is @37% now so it will only improve as I get it up to the 47% Taylor humidity spec.
    The 714ce I had was at 26% when I got it, and as I got it up to 47% humidity, the performance substantially improved.
    The neck on this 914ce is already excellent so I know it will only improve as I increase the humidity another 10%.

    I'm lucky on this purchase... I was worried because I never had a chance to play this before I bought it. It came from Quebec and I had to pay before it shipped. It was a crap shoot indeed but after drilling the guys at the shop where I got this from, for weeks ... I felt they knew their guitars and took the chance.

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    Its a good one. :)

    This isn't going back.
     
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  9. DogsoverLava

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    OK - so now we gotta see pics -- I really want to see the pics of that arm rest/edge thing - still trying to wrap my head around it.
     
  10. audiokid

    audiokid Chris Staff

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    I've tried to take a pic of it and it won't translate. I've looked all over the web for pictures that do justice and nothing translates. I think its because of the angle and how the light can't focus on it. The bevel is ebony that eventually becomes the trim around the body. Its simply beautiful.

    Ill try to get a few and upload after this post. stand by...
     
  11. audiokid

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    wow eh!
     
  14. audiokid

    audiokid Chris Staff

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    Its at the most perfect angle that you really don't feel your arm on the corner of the guitar. And your arm doesn't touch the sound board at all. You can hear a definite audible volume and tone change when your arm rests on the top. Try it with any one of your guitars.
    Strum with your arm lifted off and then normal. After I did this with the 714ce, I knew the bevel wasn't just a visual / comfort thing. It actually increased clarity and volume.
     
  15. audiokid

    audiokid Chris Staff

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    its silk smooth as well. I have total confidence that the design would never open up. The way they cut the edge off the top and rosewood side, to fit this ebony into it is really solid. I suspect its not easy to do but it looks like it fits so well, and is polished with absolute precision that you cannot feel any connection between the side and top. It truly is a work of art. I just sit and look at this for hours now. The guitar is fun just looking at it.
     
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    wow - thanks Chris. I loved the audio commentary - you are Canadian brother.... no doubt about it! I didn't realize the ebony wrapped all way round like that. Pretty sweet and you could still hear the reverence and awe in your voice - that speaks volumes about the instrument in your hands. And you are good with the no pick guard? It looks killer without it. Why burden the top with that I guess eh? All my Classicals have no pick guard but I never gave it any thought when it came to my acoustics (all with pick guards). Enjoy bringing that baby to life. What are you going to string it with? Any preferences?
     
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  18. audiokid

    audiokid Chris Staff

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    thanks, glad you enjoyed that. Ya. I'm no fan of a pick guard. They always bother my baby finger.
    regarding strings. Taylor recommends 13 / 53 elixir and those sounded great on the 714 but I don't like them on this. I want something darker with more mid focus. Any suggestions?

    DR Rare?
     
  19. audiokid

    audiokid Chris Staff

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    To correct myself in my video, I said the top was cut about a 1/4 inch but its more like a whole inch.

    It appears they cut about an inch off the top and side where your strum arm sits, then bevel fit a piece of ebony in there. When you look at the guitar from the front in person... you are actually seeing an inch of a black ebony bevel with beautiful binding/ perfling, however when taking a picture of it ... it translates to a shadow, thus giving the top an out of proportionate look.
     
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  20. audiokid

    audiokid Chris Staff

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    The guitar was in the store for over a year and I believe had the original strings on it! I changed them with Elixir Nanoweb HD Light and it sounds much better. The mids improved which makes me very happy.
     
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