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Advice for multitrack recording from Live rig

Discussion in 'Recording' started by 222sm, Jul 31, 2014.

  1. 222sm

    222sm Member

    Hi,

    Sorry, I am new here, but this seems like the correct forum to post this question.

    I am currently doing live sound running a Yamaha 01v96v2. Attached to the mixing desk I have two Behringer AD3000 using ADAT.
    In the past i've just recorded using 2 track from an aux or bus, but i am looking to do some proper multitrack recording and remixing after the act.

    I am looking at replacing one of the AD3000 with a Focusrite Liquid Sappire 56. That should allow me to replace the functions I need of the AD3000 (simple AD conversion of an additional 8x in).
    I am wondering whether it will meet my needs to record using the firewire port?
    I should be able to pass it 16 channels in using the two ADAT connections on board, plus the eight analog inputs onboard = 24 channels, which should meet my needs for the time being.


    Does anyone have any experiences with the Liquid Sapphire 56 or is there a better alternative at a reasonable price point which would meet my needs?

    Also, as i am new to multitrack recording. I assume the Firewire400 can cope with 24 channels at once? Does computer hardware still need to be carefully thought about for recording so many tracks simultaniously?
    The final one, and probably most contensious, what kind of DAW / recorder should i look to use to capture the tracks. Is there something cheap I can use to just record, and then look at the likes of Logic etc for editing and remixing?


    I hope that all made sense and that you may be able to help.
     
  2. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    Hi 222sm, welcome to the forum !
    I have a saffire 56 as my audio interface. I mainly use it for the ADAT transfer for my external units and use the internal preamps as if I need more input.

    I'm assuming you actually record with the yamaha and want to use a computer instead.
    If it's the case think twice about using a computer for live recording. The failling rate and instablilty risks are higher than a harware solutions.
    If you are recording very sensitive material and can't afford to fail. I'd look for an harware solution.

    I know it's not in the same price range but if I was ask to record every show of a tour, I'd go with a harware solution
    Like the http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/X48MKII/ with the optional ADAT cards


    Anyway, back to the saffire.
    It's a capable unit and can handle your needs. One thing that makes me question your approach is if you take the direct outs of the main mixer or the monitoring mixer to record via the Saffire, you're gonna send the signal from a preamp to a preamp. Because the line ins are not direct connections to the converters. We should research this but the AD3000 may be built the same way. I'm sure there is some multi channel converters that could be cleaner then this preamp to preamp signal path. (maybe someone will step up to help us on this) ;)
    All in all, you want to read the compatibility list to choose your firewire adapter :
    http://global.focusrite.com/answerbase/is-my-firewire-device-compatible-with-my-firewire-adapter

    Daw choices are wide and get from free to expensive. Samplitude is regarded as sonicly clean DAW. You should demo a few and judge by yourself
     
  3. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    Assuming your 01V96 has the MY16-AT option card installed, the Liquid Saffire 56 will get you 16 ADAT channels into a computer. I wasn't clear about how you were proposing to deal with the additional 8 channels: were these to go via the Saffire analog inputs (to make 24 channels into the computer) but also routed via a Saffire ADAT output back into the 01V96 for live use? This setup would be fine for the live sound, especially if you use the 8 Saffire inputs as your "money" channels, but it does not address the recording question.

    We have had many threads in these forums over the last few years about the pros and cons of using computers for live multitrack (e.g. more than 16 tracks) recording, and people seem to fall into one of two camps. Either they say that they have never had a problem with using a computer for large numbers of tracks and trust it implicitly, or else they say that it's too risky and instead use a dedicated recorder that is not susceptible to the common computer recording problems. I declare my hand and say that I'm firmly in the second camp, and have been recording to dedicated hard disk recorders for the last ten years or so, but have no problem with others who trust computer recording. There are, of course, a few who do both as a safey measure.

    What should you do? If you are thinking of the Saffire principally in order to improve your sound quality over that achievable using either the 01V96 pre-amps or (especially) those in the ADA8000s, then that's a good objective. However, there is quite a wide choice in that section of the market, and you should consider carefully which product to invest in. On the other hand, if going for a Saffire is mainly to get multitrack recording, then there are other ways of achieving that end, and your consideration should be at a higher level: how do I best run 24-channel live sound while recording all the tracks? Have you looked at something like the RME Fireface UFX which acts as a computer interface but also will record directly to a USB memory stick or plug-in USB disk drive?
     
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