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AES standard for labeling tracks

Discussion in 'Recording' started by fourone3, Jun 11, 2009.

  1. fourone3

    fourone3 Active Member

    I've been searching for the standard, as I've been told there is such, but can't seem to find anything.

    What I mean is how to label the tracks. I remember hi hats were HH, top snare was something like Top Sn., etc. I've been told there's a standard so when giving sessions to other engineers it makes their lives easier.

    Thanks for any help!
     
  2. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    Most DAWs allow lots of characters for labels. I wouldn't worry about learning some shorthand. If you do need to abbreviate then make a cheat sheet with Word Pad to send along with the tracks.
     
  3. jammster

    jammster Active Member

    Yes, its a good habit to label your tracks and take notes on your settings for your analog gear so you can make reference to it down the road.

    As for standards, you would be professional to have them. Just taking notes helps for the future. I would think the more description you use the better.

    Often times I have just done the old "set and forget" and often wonder how I got the particular sound later on.

    I suppose when you have musical ideas and the tune is fresh in your mind the settings have little worth. Live and learn or Live and fail to learn I guess.

    I fall in the fail to learn category far to often. With digital devices it takes away the need to remember since you create a patch and can recall it, or simply saving a session. That does not help out my analog engineering skills when recording a tune. I guess when you do everything yourself its quite overwhelming, isn't it?
     
  4. fourone3

    fourone3 Active Member

    I'm pretty good at labeling tracks (definitely not the "Audio 1, Audio 2" type person). I was hoping to understand more what they (AES?) meant. I'm curious to see what they consider to be the 'right' way.

    Thanks for the responses!
     
  5. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    AES (American Engineering Society) standard is primarily a standardized protocol for transfering digital audio data across different types of electrical connections. It has allowances for different bit depths and sampling rates. It's brother/sister society is the EBU (European Broadcasting Union).

    It is not a standard for how to label a mixer or how to order your sticks on your mixer or how to hang your mic's in an auditorium.
     
  6. fourone3

    fourone3 Active Member

    True, but I was referring to the AES organization. They (I've been told) has a specific way to label tracks to make everything flow easier between engineers. I suppose it was adopted because there were too many people either not labeling or improperly labeling tracks.
     
  7. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    If that is indeed true it is not something that is standardized within the audio industry as a whole. If it were it would be a simple matter of looking it up in a book or website because EVERYONE would use.

    http://www.aes.org/publications/standards/search.cfm

    I'm guessing your friend read something and inferred incorrectly the subject detail.
     
  8. MadTiger3000

    MadTiger3000 Active Member

    Use a camera to document settings of outboard gear. Quick and Dirty.
     
  9. stickers

    stickers Active Member

    I dont know really BUT..

    This is how I do it for live sound and/or recording

    K for Kick
    S1 for snare top
    S2 for snare bottom
    T1,T2....
    HATS - hi hats
    OHL overhead left
    OHR overhead right
    RML room left
    RMR room right
    BASS
    GTR1, GTR2 with arrows indicating stage left or right
    KEYS
    SAMPLE
    V1,V2 with arrows indicated stage location of vocal mic

    Sometimes I might label things differently when recording, just to indentify the track better like: SpaceGTR the guitar with lots of delay on it perhaps
     
  10. fourone3

    fourone3 Active Member

    Thanks for all the ideas. As I mentioned I've always been good at clearly identifying tracks, but I was just curious about this 'standard'. I heard Jay Franze speak about it, but didn't get a chance to ask him more after the lecture.

    I did check AES's website before posting, but wasn't able to find anything. So I'm thinking if it were a true standard, you're right John, it'd be published somewhere. Or at the very least be something of common knowledge.
     

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