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AKG 414 Vs. Rode K2

Discussion in 'Pro Audio Equipment' started by OJG, Jan 12, 2006.

  1. OJG

    OJG Guest

    Looking from the perspective of vocals first, then just about anything else, how would you compare these two microphones.

  2. JamesG

    JamesG Guest

    hmmm.... I love my 414, but I would go with the K2 over it for vocals, but in other cases I think the 414 might be more versitile.
  3. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    K2, K2, K2

    Sorry, was that enthusiastic?

    Yep, in almost any situation, I would pick the K2. There's something magical about the sound. Whereas, with most of the 414s, I don't find magic, I find a similar feeling as sleeping with the same woman for 10 years. It's still good and fun, but it's nothing to mark on the calendar. As for the K2, it's like tag-teaming Jennifer Connelly and Monica Bellucci! (Okay, maybe not THAT good!)

    But seriously, I have found the K2 to be one of the more versatile LDCs around. No kidding when I tell you I was in the market for a new tube condenser and my Sweetwater dude talked me out of a nice new Neumann tube simply to TRY the K2. I tried it and spent the remainder of my money on other stuff. Yeah, I like it that much. I've used the M149 a lot and I dig it (that was the Neumann I was gonna buy), but I truthfully got everything I wanted out of the 149 from the K2. That's saying a hell of a lot.

    I will say this though - if you have that female vocalist that just doesn't understand that screetching isn't the same as singing - you'll want a different mic. But, then again, the 414 won't help you there either...

    J. (y)
  4. Grooveteer

    Grooveteer Guest

    I like the K2 too. I've heard some people saying even nicer things after replacing the stock tube (stilll waiting for my telefunken ...)

    You will find the "Infinitely variable control of the K2’s polar patterns" as Rode calls it very useful. It helped me a lot to get a decent sound in my less than decent sounding room.

    By the way: Jeremy, you need to update your website man. Ain't no K2 there, you know... :wink:

    There's my 2 Euro cents for ya!
  5. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    He he --
    Ain't a lot of stuff listed on that page, but the K2 definitely deserves mention up front.
  6. maintiger

    maintiger Well-Known Member

    I second the k2- I've been using it since it came out and I even went and got a second one- as well as a wonderful vocal mic, 2 of'em make a great stereo set up for recording percussion. the vocals are just so clear and range from in your face sound in cardioid (male vox) to a more mellow sound in between omni and cardioid somewheres (depends on the singer) For spoken voice I've found some great spots in between cardioid and figure 8. For female vox i tend to go a lot towards omni to tame the wild beast- 9am will do for a lot of otherwise hard to record screechy kind of singers- though I agree with jeremy that with xtreme cases it won't do it- I will usually pull out a dark ribbon. :D

    what about changing the tube? anybody experiment, get better results doing that? I'm kinda unwilling to mess with a good thing but i might try it if.... hummm, please comment on this subject if you will- 8)
  7. Sidhu

    Sidhu Active Member

    Curious to know what pres do u ppl. run the K2 into ? Tube into tube or Solid state ?


  8. maintiger

    maintiger Well-Known Member

    I've been runing mine either through a grace or a sytek- I find for vocals the sytek has a bit more of an attitude and a grace is cleaner with the K2- lately I've been liking it through the sytek- the channels with the burr brown options
  9. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    personally, i really dig the summt 2ba-221 wth the k2. of course what don't i dig that pre with???

    i just tried te langevin pres with it and a few other mics and i loved it so much, i just ordered the dvc. can't wait til i get it.

  10. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Guest

    Doesn't the K2 have an EF86 in it? If so that is the same Pentode tube you find in the Neumann U67 which sounds way different from many of those microphones that use the dual triode 12AX7 types.

    Remy Ann David
  11. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    you're absolutely right remy!

    in fact, given as much effort as rode has put into testing each tube that goes into their mics, i've got no interest in replacing the tube anytime soon.

  12. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Guest

    I know " stickers" has one and has posted some samples of acoustic guitar which sound very sweet to me. I'm almost considering selling off my 2 U67s and replacing them with a couple of those K2s? I have been impressed by a number of the Rode Australian microphones. Most people that have tube microphones seem to frequently have 12AX7s and/or another dual triode and although quieter than a Pentode, they just don't sound the same. About 20 years ago when I got the microphones used, I attempted to put 2 new Sylvania EF86s in. THEY SOUNDED HORRIBLE! I then went back to the older Telefunkens, which are still in them today. So those of you who are following this thread, just know that all tubes are not created equally! They are an Art, not a science. We all must be picky when choosing our tubes.

    Give me 5 grids! Or give me death!
    Remy Ann David
  13. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    At the price point of the K2 you could sell ONE U67 and get TWO K2's and a great dinner at a fine restaurant as well as tickets to the playoffs.
  14. baslotto

    baslotto Active Member

    Remy Ann David is a great source of information. Thanks for sharing and keep it up, I'm learning great things!

    PS: I was actually looking for the next pair of mics and I'm looking into tubes now. Any parallel suggesions? Are the K2 the "professional" best for the price as some people say? What would you get for that price or a "little" more?
    I prefer to buy someyhing that I'll keep forever because of its special sound. Would you trade in your K2's for soemthing a little better?
    Sorry for the confusion, I hope you understand my train of thoughts.

  15. AltheGatman

    AltheGatman Active Member

    I bought my K2 when the AKG rep told me to, I was looking at either a 414 or the solidtube at the time, and he said straight out to me that the K2 would run rings around either of them. (and he was right in my opinion)

    I have to admit it is a damn good buy. The valve in it packed up pretty soon after I got it, but from what I can tell they had a bad batch of them down this way. Warranty covered it though, and has been great ever since!

    I ran into a U67 that a radio station here was getting rid of, got it for a stupid price, it seems to be losing gain at the mo, so the valve's probably in need of replacement. means I can't really give you a real opinion on how they compare, but.... on the thing's where I have made some vague comparison, the K2 has been more responsive to subtle dynamics all round.

    Now I just need to get a second one.
    :) :)
  16. From RØDE's site: rode.com.au/?pagename=Products&product=Twin_Triode_-_6922

    Twin Triode - 6922
    Suits: NTK & K2

    Is this the EF86 tube?

    :) TIA :)
  17. AltheGatman

    AltheGatman Active Member

    out of curiosity, I had a look in my 2 and the U67 has a sovtek EF86 in it, the K2 has what loks like a pretty budget chinese valve, the only marking I can make out is 6N11 J .

    Are these essentially the same valve? I need one for the U67 anyway, but if they are the same I'm thinking I may as well get a pair, I'm sure the one in the K2 is not the highest of quality by the look of it.....
  18. Grooveteer

    Grooveteer Guest

    Not sure if it's OK to link to other forums (I won't) , but there's a blind test on GS.

    (just don't read the entire thread, the 'who's who' is also there) .
    It has amples of a K2 with the stock tube, a Telefunken and a Siemens.

    Check that and then get your butt back over here!! 8)

  19. stickers

    stickers Active Member

    groove post the link dammit....
  20. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Guest

    Okay I've gone to the Rode site and they seem to indicate that the "6922, dual triode is a fine replacement in the K2"??? Now, NO that is not a Pentode. You cannot replace a Pentode with a dual triode, so I have contacted them with a query about this and will let everybody know as to what their response is. Now I'm not quite sure what that microphone contains anymore? " Manufacturer has the right to make changes without notice". Something we have seen many times throughout the years.

    The characteristics of the sound of the Pentode (5 grids) is considerably different from that of the dual triode (2 internal structures with 3 grids each), albeit perhaps a quieter tube.

    A friend of mine has a modified U87 with a new capsule and the transistor removed and a triode in its place and likes the sound of my U67 way better. He thinks it sounds way smoother than his U87 (which by the way do not use identical capsules in their original specifications either, in addition to the numerous different thicknesses of aftermarket capsules available out there, the U67 being of a 6 micron thickness originally. Yes the thinner aftermarket ones have a brighter sound and therefore do not sound like a Neumann any more).

    Ear-ily confused
    Ms. Remy Ann David

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