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audio Am Radio Mix help

Discussion in 'Fix This MIX!' started by packrobottom, Jun 11, 2014.

  1. packrobottom

    packrobottom Active Member

    New song I'm working on. I guess it's 70s sounding. Arranging/mix/critique appreciated.

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  2. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    the hi mids and highs are pretty harsh. You've also got some sibilance issues. What mic/pre/audio I-O combination did you use? What is the room like in which you mixed? Any treatment?
  3. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    echo Donny's critique.
    Sounds more late 60's. Almost a Beatles vibe eh. Put the Vox on the right, guitar on the left and you are half way there lol. (kidding though, well, maybe not,:giggle:).
  4. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    The 60's vibe is coming mostly from the guitar / processing. It's got that "watery" George Harrison kinda sound... maybe run through a rotary emulator of some kind, and it works if that's the texture you were looking for.

    But again, the hi mids and highs are very harsh/brittle sounding, especially on the vox. You may consider sculpting EQ accordingly, or, perhaps, try a de-esser with a Q around 5k or so... tight enough to kill the sibilance... without effecting the other frequencies that are okay.

    The 5k suggestion was only that... a suggestion. Sibilance frequencies can vary greatly from vocalist to vocalist, as well as from mic to mic, and can occur in a pinpoint frequency, but they can also encompass a wider bandwidth.

    On a final note, anytime you request a mix critique, it helps to narrow in on what you want feedback on in particular - ie vocals, bass, drums, entire mix, etc.

    And, anytime you can provide the following info:

    A. the model(s) of mics used and your position in the room when you tracked, as well as any other pertinent details to the mic; such as HPF, pad, polarity, etc.
    B. whatever you have in your gain-chain ... type of preamp, audio I/O, etc. - as well as the monitors you are using
    C. any processing you may have used on the individual tracks during the mix- such as OB or ITB VST's
    any final processing you strapped across your 2-Bus ... such as EQ, Compression, Limiting, Stereo Enhancers, etc.
    E. the levels that you recorded the tracks at
    F. details on your recording and mixing environment - characteristics and size of your room, if you have acoustic treatment in place, the type of treatment, etc.

    Will result in us being able help you more.


  5. packrobottom

    packrobottom Active Member

    donny you da man thx a lot.
    It's nice to have a fresh pair of ears. That's also mostly why I don't ask for specific help. I'm using an AT4047s into a gap pre mk2 into an Apogee duet.

    Ok fixed/greatly reduced the sibilance. manually.
    reduced the hi mids and harsh his. Most of it I think was some EQ I'd had on and forgotten about on the 2-bus.

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  6. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    "..donny you da man thx a lot."

    Nah. Just another set of ears. But, you're welcome.

    "...reduced the hi mids and harsh his. Most of it I think was some EQ I'd had on and forgotten about on the 2-bus."

    That's why I asked.

    Much improved. You also may want to consider adding a little "click" to the kick drum. I realize you aren't necessarily after a "modern" sound here, but it might help to have a little presence added to the kick.

    Also, as a matter of taste, I'd center the snare, but that's nit picking.

    Much better.

  7. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    much better eh Donny..

    The high end we hear and want removed is what I refer to as the irritating DJ freq tickle dominant in the upper mid 5k to 9k zzz. Its created from lower end converters, pre's. Although, a de-esser or simply just being aware of this and then being careful to not over boost it during your mix will most certainly improve this.
    You've done a fine job taming that down now!

    Maybe even more but it becomes a fine line to mud from this point on. I like this track, its refreshing.
  8. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    it sounds fine to me. is it mixed the way i would do it? probably not but then that's what it's all about isn't it? if it were me i would collapse everything down to mono for the choruses ... for effect.
  9. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Ya, now you are picking up on where I left off, Kurt! Kudo's.
    I would mix this like the 60's indeed. Without question. And again, its heading into creative taste which is another topic eh.

    Who cares about the metallic edge actually. I'm less concerned about this stuff after a point. That sound goes back to Grunge and look where that went!
  10. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Guest

    Really I didn't have any complains listening to the first one through on my " Truth Monitors ", Fostex, 6301 B's. I don't appreciate excessive sibilance. But I didn't feel it all that excessive.

    What I love is that, I think it reeks from Hey Jude... I like, I like. I like both versions. Although the second version is definitely smoother and actually with more presence.

    Not only that, it almost sounded like you had a Coles 4038 overtop the drums? What are you some kind of wise guy? Somebody might think you just came from Piccadilly Circus?

    Your bass drum sound I'm not wild about. Too much flabby too much sub. Hi pass filter that and give us some tone. Like Ringo's. You're almost there. Don't stop now. Don't get all helter-skelter on me.

    It feels like, it's right on the cusp of locking in. Just needs a little more massaging. Or maybe LSD? Ya think Lucy?

    I like the Beatlesque flavor you gave it. 50 years later and that flavorful influence lives on. It's like I could hear the finale chorus of Hey Jude. You can virtually sing it over top your song. It was cool. That's one of the best ways to suck people in. Bully bully!

    Well done, Chap. I think you've passed the audition?
    Mx. Remy Ann David
  11. packrobottom

    packrobottom Active Member

    Remy defined kick per your objection! Also completely redid bassline song grooves a lot more now. Think I'm done. Don't hear the hey jude reference here different key and chords.


    Glad I passed the audition tho
  12. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    ya, that reference took me by surprise. Way out there lol! I think she was doing some Lucy In the Sky lol.
  13. DogsoverLava

    DogsoverLava Active Member

    For giggles I wonder what an AM radio mix would be like? Ever thought of actually doing this in mono? I really liked the last posted mix.

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