Discussion in 'Woodwinds' started by rudi88, Jul 1, 2014.
This is sooo good, unbelievable! He is a real pro!
Looks like amazing spam, sounds like great software though. Why post this in the digital audio forum. Thats for recording and tracking music by real musician through a DAW? This is virtual.
I'm torn on leaving threads that have no content but a link. Give me money or this software if you are link dropping to sell some product at least? Better yet! Give us a few licensees and I'll give it out to a few members so we get it done right for you. win win. Spamming a pro audio forum with no info isn't serving you as well.
Being said, this isn't anything new. So, should I leave it here? I mean I do want to help people but, damn, I've been doing this sort of virtual thing since the 80's. Its nothing new and this certainly isn't.
The breath controller is cool.
I moved this to the virtual instruments forum but may delete this if you do not return and at least make an appearance.
ill record you some samples of my daughter playing kazoo for free. she rawks, and totally takes requests
I bought this software 5 years ago. It never worked on any CP i used. But damn, it sounds amazing on youtube. Where is Christopher today? What was the cost for that... $8000 USD or something. The software is still in the box behind me.
"This is sooo good, unbelievable! He is a real pro!"
I'm amazed at how impressed you are with this barely passable sample. I'm not sure you've ever really listened to how a real flute sounds.
If you had, you'd be far less impressed by this sample than you are.... Unless you're just shilling for a commission.
Either the sampling method/truncation was poor, or it was based upon a preexisting sample that's been tweaked - and might I add, tweaked poorly.
I have better sounding fake flutes in my Garritan Personal Orchestra Library... and I'm not 100% impressed by those, either.
I can say with complete honesty - because I've recorded many real flautists over the years - that I think this is a very weak and poor flute sample overall. This doesn't sound the least bit "real" to me.
There are maybe one or two quick notes here and there that "breathe" in a slightly similar manner to a real flute, but all of the other notes sound like the variation of a waveform for a synth oboe patch. My respected peers may disagree with me on this, but I'm not at all impressed.
Perhaps it would have sounded good to me in 1989, when there was not much else to compare it to. But, these days, where thousands of samples and sample libraries exist, it's not impressive...at least not to me.
I spend long hours trying to create authentic sounds, and my feeling is that some of the stuff on the first guys youtube collection is musically great - he's a proficient proper pianist clearly - but the clever and fast fingering hide the fact that real instruments cannot actually play some of that because of the fingering. Some of the stuff he plays is so fast, that attempting to play those notes at that volume, would makes such a dreadful clacking noise as the pads flap about that it would not sound like that.
If you play more slowly then these samples can then give themselves away by being far more obvious - when you have something more revealing, it exposes the samples far more http://www.granthorsley.com/04walkingextract.mp3
He's a good player, and manages the pitch bend and modulation well - and with a wind controller he's pretty good. I'm not convinced the synthesis is better than a sample, but it can be manipulated more. truth is you still can't beat the real thing. I have quite a few - Garritan is currently my favourite, but you get away with them blended together, but individually they can still be 'wrong'. Their web site demos are great, but so far, I've not managed that kind of realism.
Chris, I think you might want to consider a ban on links for new members with no/low posts. I realize that you don't want to miss great products but new members with "amazing" products links just looks like spam to me.
''The first thing we do, let's kill all the keyboard players,'' (unless they are playing piano or Hammond.)
I'm not against synthesizers.
Synths like classic Moogs, Jupiters, Oberheims, etc., all had their places. But, then again, they weren't trying to emulate real instruments, either. They had their own distinctive electronic sounds, which could be great added textures, and even lead instruments. Truthfully, I can't see cats like Tony Banks, Keith Emerson, or Rick Wakeman being limited to just Piano or B3.
But these sampled flutes just suck. Or blow. Or both. Either direction, they don't sound like a real flute at all. Not the worst oboe sample I've ever heard, though. LOL
Since apparently my Tull tribute band will have to wait, can I have a Clav too? C'mon.. a 9V battery, real strings, mechanical action, hernia inducing weight…. it meets all the criteria.
Wake me up when there's a David Sanborn caliber sax library.
Being that the OP never returned to comment, I'm all for deleting this thread as spam... unless someone objects.
I think you could be on the money - we certainly upped the hit count on the video.
or a Kenny G library? oh sh*t don't give anyone any ideas ....
or Rhodes .... Vox Continental ..... Farfisa ....
it's just these one man band guys with midi studios ... plug in a cable and play, never had a mic... don't need one guys ... DIE!
Its hard to define and exclude the odd first post from this sort of thing. I've tried to screen these and all it does is create more database queries and a support line for me. (Example: how come I can't do this? I just signed up!) ...
Hard deleting creates broken holes and google errors.
One the positive, People looking for a Flute sound, find this and read what Pros have to say. What did this thread tell them? The message is clear. Paul wins the best post on this one.
Closing it, I don't know if that is better. Our opinions and giving the OP and the world the red flag is deserving. We gave him the opportunity to discuss this and told the world what we think about these Amazing flutes .
Lets use these as opportunities to promote the more deserving. Pay it forward.
synths dont have to suck damnit!
you ever see nin or skinny puppy or tweaker live?
guaranteed to rock the house
I love synths. I grew up using ARP, MOOG, SC, Roland, Akai, Korg, Yamaha and I just recently bought a Nord Lead 4. Its awesome!
I love EM as much as I love the classics and classical. Its all enjoyment to me if its done well.
I don't think this guy sucks though, or is even bad. He's actually got it going on, however, IMHO, It just isn't anything special. Nothing we haven't heard in the last 30 years here. This guy must have just discovered a work station. Man.\, my 1981 12bit Emulator II sounded superior to this and that was 30 years ago. My Korg Kronos X rivals this and this goes on and on.
As Paul said, if you are emulating, you best learn how the performer would play it. Otherwise, a square wave with reverb, some attack rolled off, blend some pink noise on a second voice and its hardly much different. Most everything can be closely reproduced from synths, the key is to learn how to play like the real deal.
i read a piece a few weeks back, where someone back east tried to stage an opera sans orchestra using synths. they almost crucified the guy. lol.
i have no problem with synths when used ensemble' within a live band setting. they can offer sounds not made by conventional instruments or those that it would not be possible or impracticable to use in a live setting such as a small venue. BUT when it's one guy in a room playing with himself putting 20 musicians out of work it sucks a bag on more than one level. my heart leads me to the conclusion that collaboration leads to the best results. one person playing all the parts is just too limiting. Die Craig Anderton.
im with you on that one. im fascinated by modular synths. the look, the cables, and my gawd man... all the knobs!
but the money i see people dropping on these systems, and the really really bad music consistently coming out of them?
couldnt rectify that internally, thus no modules, just module lust.
theres only one vangelis!
wtf are those controllers, never seen anything like it.
or keith emerson crazy stabby knives dragging his organ around the stage like a lunatic. you *have* to love that.
"...BUT when it's one guy in a room playing with himself putting 20 musicians out of work it sucks a bag on more than one level. my heart leads me to the conclusion that collaboration leads to the best results. one person playing all the parts is just too limiting. Die Craig Anderton."
I'm with you for the most part on this. I think it depends on the situation; for example, if we're talking about someone like Thomas Dolby, who's music is solely electronic, then it works.
But, when recording a song, if everything is fake, it begins to lack a realness, an "organic" nature.
There's nothing like an ensemble of musicians who are playing off each other, laying back, stepping in, laying back again, tossing out ideas, trying different things... things that one person may have never considered, and that's where the magic starts to happen.
It's also about dynamics.. and while experienced midi cats can program dynamic changes, I don't believe that it's ever quite the same, or as real sounding, as it is when you have a group of great musicians working together.
As far as one guy wearing all the hats, well, it can be done, but it's very rare that it works out. Guys like Rundgren, or Prince, sometimes manage to pull it off, but, they also do use other musicians as well.
Not everything they do is a one-man-band situation.
I've had many projects over the years where I've worn all the hats. And let me tell you my brothers, it's hard.
By the time you write, arrange, perform, record, and mix, you can get to a point where you don't know whether you've been shot, stabbed, screwed or snake-bit. LOL
And, there's always "that something" missing... that vibe that you can only get when you put a group of talented musicians in a room together.
And while I have plenty of experience in doing everything and wearing all the hats both musically and as an engineer, I've never been able to emulate that sound and vibe ... Ever.
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