Discussion in 'Studio Lounge' started by audiokid, Oct 12, 2016.
Out of these two networks, who do you trust to be more accurate journalism and why?
Normally I would post non related stuff on the forum but I'm going to make an acceptation this one time.
I've been watching the American Election process since the beginning, its quite fascinating and at the same time, very disturbing.
There seems to be quite a difference to what is talked about between the two networks I watch most. If I didn't know better, I'd say CNN is owned by special interest groups that are also feeding global networks similar information around the world.
Is this a bad thing or good thing, I don't know. I do think we are being spoon fed bias one way or the other depending on what news feed we are watching.
I have know idea what to think. Any opinions? Dare to comment? Come on, lets hear from you?
TV channels want to sell publicity to earn money. They are looking for sensationnal info to get attention but it's often the non sensationnal informations that are the more relevant and important to make up our own opinion. The debates are usually well done but comments before and after are rarely objective.
I find it hard to keep interest in politics because the media mostly show us flashy events to hide more decisive situations.
When is the last time you got a real update about the syria war ??
Both networks are biased; Fox traditionally to the right/conservative, CNN traditionally to the left/liberal.
Newspapers are like that, too. There are some papers, like The Washington Post and The New York Times, that have traditionally always been slanted to the Left (and some would say more than just "slanted", LOL) while The Wall Street Journal, National Review, Dallas Morning News, and USA Today - papers that have traditionally always been to the Right and more conservative - that are endorsing a Democrat for President for the first time in a hundred years... some for the first time ever.
All bets are off this year - as to relying on certain networks and papers to continue to be what they've traditionally been.
Long-standing respected conservative journalists, like George Will, are now part of the "Never-Trump" movement. Hell, even most of the Bush family, ( if not all) including the old man, have come out and said that they are voting for Clinton.
It's a first, and it's setting a precedent for other conservative leaders as well.
Trump has somehow managed to insult - both personally and politically ( but mostly personally) nearly everyone who could have helped him. But, he's put his foot in his mouth so many times now, and publicly insulted so many of them, that these people who could ( and would) have helped him, have walked away... it's gotten to the point that they are now running away from him - in order to protect their down-ticket positions as conservative members of Congress and The Senate, (or those who are running for those seats against liberal incumbents). The GOP is now sending campaign money to those people - conceding that Trump doesn't have a chance now, and the best they can hope for now is to retain their majority positions in The House and in The Senate; in order to fight Hillary by blocking her SCOTUS nominations, or other important legislation that already exists ( Roe Vs Wade, Obamacare) or new liberal legislation that she'll most likely offer up.
Republicans are bailing from Trump's campaign like rats from a sinking ship. There are a few die-hards who are sticking with him, but not many now. He has literally - and single-handedly fractured the GOP.
When Paul Ryan, who is the most powerful person in the GOP right now - because he's The Speaker Of The House ( The Majority leader in The House Of Representatives) - publicly denies supporting you, pulls his endorsement, and cuts off your campaign funding, then you know you're in trouble. Governor John Kasich of Ohio not only refused to endorse Trump, didn't even show up to The RNC when it was in Cleveland this past summer. We're talking about a Republican/Conservative Governor, of a state, with a large number of electoral votes - who's state was hosting the Republican National Convention; and he declined to even appear. Other elder conservative statesmen, like John McCain, have done likewise. These are huge political statements.
But to answer your original question...
All news agencies are slanted/biased to some degree or another, Chris. You just have to read and listen to both, and try to find "the common ground" between them, in order to get something that resembles an unbiased position.
IMHO of course.
Alright, I'll dare to comment, at my own risk.
I'll say this, absolutely nothing fruitful can come of a thread here on politics, religion, and/or sports and leave it at that.
For a variety of reasons, these are three areas human beings struggle maintaing any level of objectivity.
Agreed - although I would personally find it difficult to believe that a forum such as this, filled with open-minded artists and compassionate souls, would be leaning towards"The Donald".
Could be wrong about that, though. I've been wrong once before in my life. LOL
And that's where I'll leave it.
That's the part I find so disheartening now.
Canadian Television is only reporting what appears to be the same intentional excerpts CNN is looping. I'm not picking political sides on this because I really don't like either of the candidate personalities. I would only be voting jobs and security on this one and avoiding all the trash talk. I think Trump is a terrible front man but is saying the things Canadians have been saying for years. Why are we sending all our raw materials, creating jobs for China so they can sell it back to us for 5 times the amount.
Something is clearly wrong with what people want, to what is happening year after year.
In Canada, we continue to sell all our natural resources and the employment is pretty bad. If we were building our factories up, reducing the top heavy bloat we all feel it would be better for us. Yet it keeps going on the same way decade after decade.
Canadians in the resource sector, have been scratching heads for 40 years trying to understand why we are sending all our stuff to China.
Fox news is reflecting these concerns never talked about in our news. This is what I am mostly wondering about in this thread.
Its not much different from the music industry. All of us are talking about how we hate the crap we are being fed, yet it keeps playing over and over. Follow me?
The current path we are all on is not working very well.
Hillary doesn't have a stamina.
Which is interesting, in that this is coming from a guy who himself has companies in other countries - he has factories in China, Mexico, Turkey - he sets up his businesses and employs the people of those countries, instead of employing the people of his own country... and then talks about how "we have to bring jobs back to the U.S.A." ( ? )
Also interesting, is the long list of unpaid vendors and contractors; some of which had to actually sue him just to get paid, most of whom were forced to accept settlements of pennies on the dollar... so yeah, he's definitely sympathetic to the working man.
Pot or Kettle, Donald?
yea.. people said the exact same thing about FDR, too. Yet somehow, he managed to serve nearly four terms, bring us out of The Depression, develop the WPA and The CCC, and fight a World War - all from his wheelchair.
Eisenhower had a major heart attack before he was elected for a second term in '56.
JFK had a back injury from his PT109 sinking in WW2, the surgery for which damn-near killed him almost ten years later... yet he went on to serve as a senator, won the presidential election in '60, and served 1000 days before he was assassinated.
Hillary gets pneumonia, and now she's not "fit" to serve?
Our mondial economy is all twisted.
We are owned by the banks who creates money from thin air and loans it to us and our governements.
The governments have the power to create money themself and loan to the banks and eliminate national debts but somehow powerfull people want to keep there priviledges.
That's why I think only an economical crash can turn things around.
I think US people will be voting for the less worst and not the best one...
My friends have heard me say this for years, "you get to vote every day, with your wallet". Think about the things you buy, and whether that money stays in your town, region, state, or country. Any time there's an option to keep the money in locally owned businesses, I will deliberately drive past Wally-Mart to pay a little more every damn time. We cannot have it both ways.
In the 90's the U.S. and Canada signed trade deals with China.. The rhetoric was that the West would have access to a billion more customers..
In reality it gave Carte Blanche for manufacturing to move over there.. No environmental restrictions, cheap labour, low workers safety standards..
Now that China is being pressured to address some of those concerns, companies will move to other countries and start over.
It's a cycle. Up until civil rights were sorted out the States had cheap labour from minorities.. They still do in some industries.. For a long time they had actual slavery.. And massive businesses and banks were built on it. Industry in the U.S. has a long history of trying to figure out the cheapest way to make things. China and third wold manufacturing countries are the newest version of cost saving..
Unfortunately they have serious power with the politicians. What Chris is complaining about will never change unless you have a government willing to become protectionist with raw materials and labour..
To achieve that there would have to be a major overhaul and there would be serious economic battle, people would freak out..
i said Hillary doesn't have a stamina. please observe sarcasm ......
Well, we already had that here in 2008. Some people still haven't yet recovered from it.
This is sad to say, but if you crash an recover on the same basis, it's bound to crash again.
We need to change the way it works for good...
From a business approach and what the tax laws allow, he is following what most business is doing and will continue to do unless something drastic changes.. To my understanding, he admits this and is now spilling the beans on all the loopholes.
This is exactly what CNN is not disclosing, as well as our National news. Which is what I am concerned about. Why are the National networks only talking about his past, the trash. I could care less about his business and personal crap, him and the guys talk about. Guys are guys and business is business.Whats new.
I believe its coming now. There is a revolution started and it is going to get ugly.
In my area of Canada, those choices are gone. Its China filled crap everywhere. First they crushed us by moving all the jobs out of Canada, then they give us no choice but to eat $*^t food and buy crap that is all offshore junk. Even our clothes are crap.
Exactly, which is why we need to get them back here, incentives, period.
I believe it is starting now.
I'm not picking sides just yet, but something clearly stinks when politicians need to look in locker rooms to win votes. Trump is clearly locker room trash, very unrefined and not a polished politician. Which is why I am listening to what he is saying, which reflects the questions millions of Canadians are asking our neighbors. Why aren't we manufacturing in Canada. Why are we sending all our natural resources to China. Why are the rich getting richer and richer and we are loosing our homes.
I will not be able to keep my home because Chinese are coming here and buying everything up. They are pricing everything based on their willing to pay. The wealth we gave them is biting us back.
Fox is owned by Rupert Murdoch, who has been influencing public opinion here in Australia for 50 years with his ownership of both the print and digital media with his Foxtel cable TV.
We used to have very strict media ownership laws preventing monopolies where you could not own both print media (newspapers) and broadcasting (tv and radio) at the same time...until our conservatives, the Liberal Party got into power and laxed the media laws so their donor mates such as Rupert could own both and saturate the media with his opinions via his talking heads and print editors (He is quite the puppet master, Ol' Rupert).
He has quite a history of making and breaking government here in Australia and has been doing so for close to 50 years...ever since the early 70's when he was part of the push using his print media empire to end a 26 year rule of the Liberal conservatives by backing the Gough Whitlam led Labor opposition leading up to the election in 1972...then when Whitlam did not bow to Rupert's demands after taking office Murdoch used his media reach again to turn on Whitlam to back the conservatives led by Malcolm Fraser three years later. He did it again to back the Labor opposition of Bob Hawke in 1983 with a media push against the Fraser led conservatives and then again switched in favor of the John Howard led conservative opposition in the lead up to the 1996 election when they defeated Labor under Paul Keating. Confused yet?....but wait...there's more...
Not one to let his sway on power sit idle, Ol' Rupert was up to his tricks again by 2007...turning against the Howard conservatives with positive press for the labor opposition led by Kevin Rudd, who took power at the election thanks mostly to Rupert turning on his old friends in the Liberal Party, this time using not only his nation wide print media publications, which have domination in all capital cities across Australia and his national Sky News 24 hour news channel on his Foxtel Cable TV network, as those close mates of Ruperts' in the Liberal Party had watered down the media ownership laws whilst they were in power to the point where he owned every dominant media outlet across both the print and tv broadcasting mediums and were now at his mercy.
The genie had been let out of the bottle....and there was no way of getting it back in.
Of course, Rupert, forever the kingmaker that he is, within 2 terms had turned on the Labor Government, so much so that they had changed leaders 3 times from all the bad press coming from right-wing alligned Murdoch editors, backing the Tony Abbott led Liberal / National Party Coalition to victory in 2013. Since 2013 he has now turned on the Liberal Government to the point that they have ousted a sitting Prime Minister after one term, replacing him just as their Labor predecessors did to starve off a defeat at the recent election by only a single seat.
Rupert is up to his old tricks again...but now his reach stretches globally, just as his influence does here as well as in the UK.
Since his Fox Media empire has grown in size over the years in the US, combined with his News Corp ownership of mastheads like the New York Post, it is interesting to sit back and watch the influence he is having on public opinion in the US...much as he has done here over the past 50 years. IMO the man has too much power, peddled by his talking heads on his cable news channels worldwide and also via his influence over his editorial staff in his print media. Its easy here to see whose peddling the Murdoch line...they are usually the ones who are still writing for him or host shows on his news networks....go against the Ruperts' views or the company line and you are out the door quicker than you can say Dow Jones....oh, did I mention his ownership of that too?...
Who will win the upcoming election?...thats' easy
Whoever Rupert wants to...thats the answer to that question.
On another note, can I envoke Godwins' Law by comparing Trump to Hitler?...lol
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