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Amp or amp modeler

Discussion in 'Recording' started by bobbo, Mar 7, 2005.

  1. bobbo

    bobbo Active Member

    I am looking at either getting a guitar amp or modeler for studio use, (for those younger bands with the shitty ass amps). The thing is I don't play guitar, I play drums, so I don't know what amp gives what type of sound through such and such pickups. I am wanting to pick up an epiphone lespaul as a studio guitar and then either an amp or a modeler. Now I've heard that the microcab I or II is good and has a tube in it or what ever. but it doesn't say that it has a tube in it on their website. does anyone have expirence with that unit is it good enough for modeling, or should I go with an amp that I can mic. I've got lots of mics for amps and I need a gainy rock/metal sound. Example bands would be, taking back sunday, thrice, glassjaw, so on.

    thanks
    Bob
     
  2. heyman

    heyman Guest

    If you want a solid amp for your studio - go with any of the Boogie Rectifier series amps. They are rock solid the sound great at any level. I have my Dual rectifier I bought in 1992. Still going strong.


    Stay away from Amp simulators.
     
  3. mcmilliron

    mcmilliron Guest

    the microcab doesn't have any tubes in it. its basically just a glorified DI. I love it for recording guitar direct. However... you won't get a "live" guitar sound with it. everything will sound dry and up front in your mix.

    You'll want to go with a decent mic and guitar amp but which one depends on your budget and style.
    If your recording metal/hard rock I'd go with a Boogie or Marshall(I personally prefer a marshall anyday over a over priced Boogie)
    for blues/classic rock I'd use a Fender (twin reverb, bassman, blues deville)

    a few cheap mics for guitar would be a Sure SM57 & Kel Audio HM-1

    if you go with a epiphone guitar you'll want to have the pickups replaced(Seymour duncan 59's sound nice). Epiphone pickups really suck

    hope this helps
     
  4. mcmilliron

    mcmilliron Guest

    sorry about the mic suggestions. I didn't read the part where you said you have lots of mics.
     
  5. wwittman

    wwittman Active Member

    What type of msic, at least predominantly, do you think you'll be using it for?
    And what's your budget?

    Nothing gets that modern rock grungy sound like the Mesa Rectifier... but there's almost NOTHING else i'd use it for.

    tell us a bit more about what you hope this will DO for you.

    I also think an Epiphone Les Paul, unless you're dead set on it, is not a first rate choice (to put it kindly), unless you're talking about their Elitist series.
     
  6. therecordingart

    therecordingart Well-Known Member

    If you get a Marshall and want to save a little cash...the only cheap Marshall that sounds good is the VS-100 head....IMO. Other than that go with either Boogie or Marshall.

    I have guys bringing in their Line6 amps all of the time and I hate em. I know people that love them to death, but I get a piss poor sound out of em.

    Both Marshall and Boogie each have their own defined sound, and either one could be used for every variety of music. I actually like both and don't really favor one over the other. It comes down to what I hear in a song. Luckily, I've got a few guitar buddies that own every ype of amp under the sun. Right now I have an Orange half stack for an emo/indie rock band that I'm recording.
     
  7. bobbo

    bobbo Active Member

    re,

    I am not too familiar with guitars but from what I've noticed guitar players using in emo/hardcore/metal bands is that shape of guitar and for $600 I don't think it is a too bad of a choice. Plus I am wanting to get an amp so that if a band wants a good guitar sound but has crap equiptment then I could either charge them to use it or just let them use it (depending on circumstances). I have recorded on mesa's and I love them, my buddy's got a dual rec head and it nice, in my opinion of corse, the first time I recorded some mesa's I swear it was the first time for me that I didn't need to double the guitar tracks, I enjoyed that. But not every band you record has that kind of stuff, one of the last bands that recorded had this peavey 2-12" combo amp that was connected to a zoom 505 pedal and that sucked, too much noise from the pedal. yuk. Thats my reasoning for doing this. Buy the way what about those orange amps? They just look really freakin cool.

    My guitar mics include:
    md421II
    sm57
    beta 57a
    beta 56
    e609s
     
  8. WRX07

    WRX07 Guest

    NOTHING can beat the sound of a mic'ed amp. Period. Yeah, most emo/hardcore bands out there are using Mesa Rectifiers or Marshall JCM 2000's DSL or TSL. Orange amps are amazing. They have more crunch than balls out distortion, so I'm not sure if they'd be really useful for metal. Indie kids would wet themselves for one, though.

    In my experience, amp simulators don't come anywhere close to being as good as a real mic'ed amp. They just lack so much tone, and air. I have a POD XT that I use for scratch tracks but usually end up tossing them once the real guitars are recorded.
     
  9. inLoco

    inLoco Active Member

    amp i'd recommend the fender hot rod deluxe but the pod may be a better ideia! as for the guitar nop! go for a strat!
     
  10. therecordingart

    therecordingart Well-Known Member

    The Orange amp absolutely smokes for indie/emo/rock and MIGHT work for metal. We had the gain at about 50% and had enough saturation that would compete in the nu-metal world. I'm going to buy an Orange amp very soon. No matter how I mic'd it the sound was just huge!
     
  11. therecordingart

    therecordingart Well-Known Member

    Also....the Orange has the best clean channel that I've heard out of any amp. I'm a guitar player, and have searched every amp for a nice clean channel and the Orange is best by far! The way it sounds coming out of the amp is similar to how any good amp would sound after EQ and effects....really smooth!
     
  12. WRX07

    WRX07 Guest

    Arthur, what Orange amp are you looking to get? I've only heard bands play them, never had the opportunity to play one myself.
     
  13. therecordingart

    therecordingart Well-Known Member

    The one that is in my live room right now is a Rockerverb 50....so far my favorite sounding amp overall....I've recorded Vox, Bogner, Mesa, Marshall, Crate, Drive.....you name it....cheap to super expensive and this is the easiest amp to get a great tone out of. These are priced comparably to Mesa Boogie heads.

    When tracking we used a 57 an inch from the grill at about 1/3 from the edge of the speaker. The 57 went into my Brick. Then I used an E609 on axis with the cone angled at a 45 degrees toward the 57....also about 1 inch. I had to correct the phase, but it smokes! We used an American Tele and tomorrow we are using a Gibson SG.
     
  14. WRX07

    WRX07 Guest

    Do you have any clips?
     
  15. therecordingart

    therecordingart Well-Known Member

    I will tomorrow when we finish tracking guitar....I'll let you guys know because I'm pretty proud of this recording. I feel that I'm finally recording listenable tracks.
     
  16. mululu

    mululu Guest

    I also find that there is nothing better than using a real amp. I like recording hardcore/metal bands using a mesa triple rectifier, but i also record the line signal, which i sometimes run through amp simulators... I used to use ampfarm, but i have just discovered NI Guitar rig! This amp simulator is great to fatten the sound of a recorded amp...
     
  17. bobbo

    bobbo Active Member

    RE

    Yeah post some tracks of that orange amp, I am seriously considering the rockerverb 2-12 combo, I saw on harmony-central.com that there are 9 reviews and everyone gave it a 10 except on the features it had a 9.7 which I thing is pretty damn good, I don't think I've ever seen this on something on harmony-central.com (at least with that many reviews). I just wish they had clips or something I could hear the thing. I was also considering the mesa rectoverb too, at almost half the cost and and would have to wait 4-6 weeks to get it. I would just have to get a guitar to sound good though, I've hear shitty guitars going through nice amps and it just makes the amp seem bad and thats just not right.

    I'll have to do some research on that, Anyone know a good guitar forum? I don't want to waste guitar questions at the recording forum.

    Bob
     
  18. Groff

    Groff Active Member

    We are still waiting for the clips :roll:
    Promise? :(
     
  19. Sidhu

    Sidhu Active Member

    i ve been trying to find a way way by which I can split the guitar signal into two, one ffeding my DI (clean) on which i can use an amp sim, and one that runs into say a GT6 (still waiting to afford) which is then wither taken direct or into an amp (miced) ... help appreciated.. I suppose a Y-cable will not drive the guitar well...

    thank you
    Sidhu
     
  20. inLoco

    inLoco Active Member

    sidhu there is a new gt! the gt8! being a guitarist i have a gt-6 and i must say i hate the sound of it! only use it slightly for some delays, tremolo (can't afford the seperate pedals) and so on...
    i have a fender hot rod deluxe and i use a boss ab-2 for choosing to go straight to the amp or going from the gt6! i do this cause it doesn't have a true bypass and the signal feels so digital!
    Take a look at the line 6 and the vox! they have a cool setup!
     

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