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Analog Output Issues - FF800

Discussion in 'Pro Audio Equipment' started by soapfloats, Oct 8, 2010.

  1. soapfloats

    soapfloats Well-Known Member

    I use a FF800 as the "brain" of my system.
    I use two Digimax LTs as the ADAT 1 and 2 into the FF,
    Unfortunately, these units only have inserts, and no true analog outputs.

    I currently have:
    9 actual outputs (8 analog and 9/10), and the way TotalMix is setup, they are mixed as stereo pairs, leaving 5 discrete outputs (minus some clever panning, when possible).

    I need:
    2 stereo outputs for my monitors (4 total)
    1 stereo output for my headphones
    4-8 headphone/effect sends (mono, preferably)

    That means I need 4-8 more analog outputs, unless I'm missing something.
    Is there a way to circumvent this in TotalMix, w/o adding an addt'l hardware unit that provides more analog outs?
  2. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    Sounds like you need to talk to Link about getting one of his headphone distribution systems! Or a second FF800.......
  3. djmukilteo

    djmukilteo Well-Known Member

    With only 8 balanced outs:
    1-2 Monitor1 (stereo)
    3-4 Monitor2 (stereo)
    5-6 Headphone feeds 1/2 (mono)
    7-8 Headphone feeds 3/4 (mono)
    Use the front panel headphone jack for your headphones which is what I use always!

    If you had a monitor controller you could use just 1-2 in and split that to each set of monitors which would free up 3-4 for 2 more mono headphone feeds
    What about a headphone amp?....or are you wanting separate headphone feeds?
    FF800 SPDIF out to a converter/DA for monitor?
    FF800 ADAT 1-16 outs to a ADAT/DA output device....that would be the easiest and most effective hardware option....that would give you lots of additional headphone feeds and 8 channels stereo if you wanted...

    Or maybe a Allen & Heath GSR24
  4. soapfloats

    soapfloats Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the quick replies, fellas - there's some irony in both your suggestions.

    John - I was actually ready to pay for a shipment of one of Link's HPAs when the flea infestation happened and I had to jump ship.
    As of now, I'm w/o an actual studio and am finishing up ongoing mixes and doing some basic tracking when and where I can.
    I am considering more FF800s down the road as well, though the pricetag makes it unlikely.
    FWIW, it's not like I also haven't had my eye on the A&H stuff, too!

    dj - I *do* have a monitor controller, which I failed to mention. This also provides a headphone out for me, freeing up 9/10 to use in a pinch for something else.
    What I really want is the 4-8 DISCRETE headphone/aux sends. Part of what I loved about my Firestudio, and what I hope to make better use of w/ the FF800, is the ability to create multiple mixes for each band member.

    So that makes it now...
    1-2 Monitor Controller
    3-4 HP 1
    5-6 HP 2
    7-8 HP 3
    9/10 HP 4 / Reverb Send

    This is functional, for now, but I know I'm going to need more headphone sends and/or aux sends in the future. Yes, I can force members to share a mix, but I prefer not to unless faced with no other option.
  5. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    Within Totalmix you should be able to send a stereo feed to EACH line out. That would give you monitor out 1/2 then 3-8 for a HP mix each.
  6. soapfloats

    soapfloats Well-Known Member

    That's what I thought, but haven't been able to suss out how to do it yet.
    It seems that TM wants to assign mixes via subgroup to AN 1+2, etc...
    Maybe w/o the subgroup setting I could do this - I will check it out.
  7. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    When you bring your individual sticks back into TotalMix, you can pan them at that point. Then when they are in the subgroup they are already panned left or right etc. The subgroup is then sent to it's final output point. I haven't unpacked my gear yet from returning from the summer gig so can't walk myself through it. I'm just going on memory.
  8. Big K

    Big K Well-Known Member

    Do you need so many different HP mixes or just the number of HP connects?
  9. soapfloats

    soapfloats Well-Known Member

    Both - the TotalMix provides the mixes, easily. It's more about the actual analog outs.
    For headphone and aux sends (ie. reverb, which would be returned to a mono mix anyways), mono is fine.
    I'll play w/ the ideas you and Jack have presented here and in the other topic soon.

    Much appreciated!
  10. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Man, how did I miss this topic, looks like we are both searching for similar results. Its crazy how advanced our studios are yet we still need more.
  11. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    If I was to get something to utilize the ADAT outs of the FF800, would the 8 separate analog outs still be available to my OTB summing system?

    It other words, we can use the FF800 ADAT outs as independent separate feed?
  12. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    Yes. All analog outputs are always available. On the ADAT side of it, you get 8 per ADAT Out at 44.1k/48k so a total of 16; 4 outs per ADAT at 88.2k/96k; and 2 outs per ADAT at 176.4/192. Mine are connected to the HD24XR but could just as easily be connected to something else.
  13. Big K

    Big K Well-Known Member

    How about this little box...

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    Something new....

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