I dunno where to go. There's one professional i'm going to contact to try to trade gear schlepping for observation, but as far as self learning goes, i've reached clueless. it's not technical stuff like plugs, and hums, so much as weird resonances, and almost echo's. crap that is not making the vocals easily understood, until some strange aligning of the planets in set 3, when even tho nothing has been touched, or ingested, 'it sounds good'. i think i've reach my plateau of an entry level live sound guy, and i'm basically freaking out, as to how i can get to the next level. I stood there tonight w/ lame ipad in hand, hearing this crud, i tried cuts on the channel, boosts, graphic cuts, just didn't work right away. although it didn't help that the guitarist was changing his volumes/channels, i dunno. i stood there thinking, i don't know what to do. I've got a booked gig w/ the band in a larger spot in a few weeks, which acoustically should be easier, but it's my lack of all around live experience catching up. i've done big names in a club i was used to, none of that matters. i'm missing something. i dunno what it is. maybe it's a pair of ears, lol. it's not. i'd love to hear from people who have done some really good live sound, big time, and tiny corner pub. i shouldn't be sucking until second set, i'm better than that, i think i need to be 'overqualified', and i'm just avereage. i guess i should ask some specific things. (presonus 16./jbl 2x15 crown powered+2x 15 subs) 1. w/ no time to 'ring out' how do you best find the offensive frequencies. ears...right... i need more training 2. when gtr is way to loud on stage,and bit turning down, how to compensate in vocals 3. w no check, how to decipher problems that root from monitors vs. mains. i'd quit, but i barley fail, it's just a tough start w/ this band, every time. my lack of expertise plays into it. everything is totally 'on the fly'. as is live. i'm thinking miking the gtr is overkill, but they insist. w/ two monitors and 3 vocal mics (just vocs in monitors). i dunno fellas, i've reached a point where i don't know, all my experience, in studio, books, live, has reached a point of, 'oh S*7t', i need to get to the next level. not for this band so much, cuz they can replace me, more for my selfishness of constantly wanting to improve. for some reason i just feel like i'm missing something. i think not being trained by a real soundguy has finally reached it's point, just like my studio experience has. i love my new studio results, as average as they are, but this live gig, i'm very close, but i just can't deliver better than a c+, and i hate it, if i was better i could tell them, 'no, it's not me', but i rationalize. i know i don't know somethings. sorry to ramble. In serious need of live engineering help. such a weird trip these gigs are. i've never had such a hard time, it's not like they have a cue sheet or anything, i dunno, just the sound distribution is killing me. anyway done w/ the bable...lol thanks guys, tough gig tonight.