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Apollo 16

Discussion in 'Converters / Interfaces' started by hueseph, Apr 10, 2013.

  1. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    In case you've not heard, Universal Audio announced their new Apollo 16 interface: a 16 I/O A/D converter and UAD Quad built in. This one is intended for the project studio that already has an arsenal of preamps, mixing console or combination thereof. These can be paired via MADI for a total of 32 inputs and two UAD Quad processors. All this for $2999. A mere $500 more than the Apollo Quad. An amazing value when you consider other "upgrade" options.

    Apollo 16 Audio Interface with Realtime UAD Processing and Thunderbolt
  2. gdoubleyou

    gdoubleyou Well-Known Member

    No way to combine it with the current Apollo, and UA says it won't happen because it's meant for a different segment because of the MADI.
  3. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Update, I have two, (the new) Apollo 16's on the way. 32 IO into the Neos. Should be fun using these as my new front end for the Neos and Dangerous Master matrix. Looks like I have the best of all three worlds now. The real deal, UAD, 120v rails and world class mastering capturing to Sequoia 13.. I'll be sharing some info indeed. Might be the first of the planet with such a rig like this one. Now only if it was 1975 and the recording acts were lining up and I was spinning them out like Motown.

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  4. bouldersound

    bouldersound Real guitars are for old people. Well-Known Member

    I believe I've already used one, with Brainworx bx_digital V2 in it.
  5. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    How did you like it, do you recall?
    I'm hoping MADI but now wondering if it will give me 32 I/o without thunderbolt or FireWire in the cascading of the two?
  6. bouldersound

    bouldersound Real guitars are for old people. Well-Known Member

    I didn't get too deep into it but it sounded fine through the Focals.
  7. Makzimia

    Makzimia Active Member

    Ahh haaa! audiokid is going UAD, at the price of the apollo 16 I got the Orion 32, since I bought the UA 2 quad card as well.. it was still cheaper. The HUGE advantage of course for the apollo 16 is live use of the plugins.. I have to admit it's still something I wasn't sure about passing up on. Now we come back to AD/DA quality don't we though?. *shrug*
  8. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    hehe, I love all you guys.
    Well, as you been following, I'm actually on an serious Emulation kick. And what better way to emulation than UAD. I doubt anything will rival my Neos/ Dangerous uncoupled rig. This is more targeted to transformerless pre's and how freaken awesome they are. I now want to emulate a few things to see if it holds true to what I'm expecting.

    But I'm at a glitch, MADI is for cascading between Apollo 16s only. Can’t be combined with any other MADI units. And I am PC MADI no return these days.
    I don't want to switch the RME or go Apple. I need to keep the same system because my ear is so in tune with what I have now.
  9. bouldersound

    bouldersound Real guitars are for old people. Well-Known Member

    So, one thing that may be relevant. As far as I can tell there is a maximum of four channels of output from the DSP input monitoring mixer, arranged in stereo pairs (level and pan on each strip). So if you have more than two people playing some of them will have to share stereo mixes, either straight up getting the same mix or you'll have to do the level/pan dance to manage up to four mono mixes. An option for two separate level controls per channel would have been nice, and more monitor mixes is almost a necessity.

    If you're using the Apollo 16 with a mixer instead of a rack of preamps it's not a problem, but in our case we have a rack of pres so we're stuck with the limitations of the input monitoring DSP.
  10. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Thanks for the info!
    I'm only interested in the DA emulation step with these.
    I would continue to use my console and independent monitoring with these.
    I wouldn't use the plugins for tracking but I would like to have the optional plugins on the DA side of the converter, away from my DAW. That really interest me! Having optional emulation OTB away from my DAW might opens up a new frontier to hybrid mixing. It becomes an outboard effect just like a Bricasti
  11. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Hmm, I'm looking at this all goofy. I was hoping there was a way to bypass the Apollo converters and use the UAD mixer to route plugins OTB, after the Orion32 DA between the console side but there will still be an extra conversion like this.

    Example of the analog chain I want:
    DAW#1> 32 DA Orion32 > 2x cascaded Apollo 16 > Neos > 2-bus> Dangerous Master Console > AD Capture DAW#2

    I'm assuming I would use the Apollo firewire to access the mixer and control the plugs but I'm now thinking its twice the conversion which I don't want. But, at least the UAD plugs are OTB between the Orion and the Console which is a big plus to where I am hoping this ends up.
  12. bouldersound

    bouldersound Real guitars are for old people. Well-Known Member

    From what I've read it looks like you can use the aux sends to get two more stereo mixes of inputs, but you lose access to the effects via Apollo. You can still use them with latency via the DAW's aux sends. A recent update made this possible by allowing pre-fader aux sends.
  13. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Well-Known Member

    If you don't need the ua conversion why not just get a processing card or satellite? I think I'm a little confused.
  14. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Here is one of the better Apollo 16 video

    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJSqGQJBt2k

    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv8z3IAVPto

    Come with the Realtime Analog Classics Plus plug-in bundle:
    • 610-B Tube Preamp and EQ,
    • Softube Amp Room Essentials,
    • Fairchild 670 Legacy,
    • UA Precision Enhancer Hz ,
    • CS-1 Precision Channel,
    • RealVerb Pro
    • Legacy versions of the LA-2A Classic Audio Leveler,
    • 1176LN Limiting Amplifier,
    • Pultec MEQ-5 Midrange Equalizer
    • Pultec EQP-1A Program Equalizer
  15. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    I'm curious how the Pultec MEQ-5 plug-ins are going to compare and emulate to the absolute beautiful pair of Pulse Technique MEQ-5 's I just sold. I also have a stack of LA2A's and 1176's so this is going to be one interesting comparisons and marriage with my existing hybrid system. I don't think I've been this excited about digital technology in years.
    FYI, I'm very interested but truthfully not expecting or concerned these plug-ins will be identical. My goal is to emulate my analog mixing and mastering matrix. This bundle is pretty much all I need, I hope.
  16. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Well-Known Member

    From what I've heard frompeoe who've used the real pultecs, the emulations out there, not just the ua, are pretty accurate to abasic real pultec, with the obvious considerations, that they can be old, and most likely only all sound similar to themselves at best.

    From my research, you probably wouldn't be dissapointed, when you weight up thentypical plug-insvs hardware considerations, like multiple instances, and repair cost.

    I've never heard anyone say the pluggin was better, but I've also never heard anyone say it was much worse, or they need the real thing.

    And now as ua(and focusrtie liquid), is pioneering emulations at the pre-amp tracking stage, it's gonna be a matters of time before outboard is weighed up against software for tracking too. Which imo is the place where it still is the most valuable, and "necessary".

    Chris just wondering what u meant in The video post by "the better apollo 16" is there a revised version?
  17. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    I think he meant a better Apollo 16 video...
    ...but it's an interesting thought.
  18. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Well-Known Member

    I can see it now "the apollo 16 pro" records at 100000khz, and actually does go to the moon. Lol
  19. audiokid

    audiokid Staff


    Of all the video's, those two focus more on why I am looking at these. I'm adding these into an existing hybrid system to expand emulation options. I hope the converters are up to the task.
  20. Makzimia

    Makzimia Active Member

    I'm not sure how far you are planning to dive in the UAD pool, but, I can tell you whether or not their plugins are true to the originals, they are very stable, and very flexible. Now that my RME card is handling things instead of the Orion I am getting amazing performance too. I'll be watching to see what you think of the AD/DA side of those too. The part that still bothers me is their need to be tethered on a firewire or thunderbolt. Are you planning to use the RME card still?

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