Discussion in 'Recording' started by offcenter2005, Feb 28, 2012.
What would be the fastest slot to run my rme raydat on this mobo?
If you download or already have the manual for this Mobo, you should look at both the physical space required for the side by side "dual" card slot space needed for the HDSPe RayDAT (I assume this is the model you're getting or already have). There may be PCIe slots on the motherboard that are shared with other buses like USB or eSATA, so if there is a dedicated PCIe slot that is not shared that would be the best one to use if the card physically fits. You may not have a choice. I don't know if you've listed all the components for this computer build so no way of knowing what other cards you need to install in the computer bus slots. Firewire card, graphics card will all take up space.
If you're building this computer for your first time, I would hope you realize all the nuances of building your own computer and have "some" experience with computers or know someone who does and at the very least read all the manuals thoroughly beforehand and understand them fully!
There are many things that you need to make sure are correct...i.e memory specs, CPU's and coolers, fan placement etc etc. Always use only CPU's and memory modules from the approved Asus vendor list in the manual.
If you are installing a separate higher quality graphic card, i.e dual DVI make sure you have space for that (some of those take up two slots). After you get things powered up and running, Win7 installed and updated, make sure you have downloaded the latest BIOS firmware and hardware drivers. Make sure to disable any "onboard" video graphics or audio features in the BIOS. This also applies to uninstalling any of those applications for those onboard features.
Good luck....let us know how it goes and don't hesitate to ask questions before diving in...take your time and understand what you're hooking up and double check everything before powering it up.
This is the list of my components and i have done a ton of research so far. The only other hardware im interested in including still is a graphics card to run multiple monitors but at this point ill be only using one with the mobos integrated graphics card. The irq sharing was a concern and main reason why i want to know what slot would be best to run my raydat in. I want to get the best performance with the lowest latency i can get. The weak link in my setup as far as i can tell is the converters but in time when i can afford to i will upgrade. Any further help would greatly appreciated. I really need to know what settings i should have in the mobo bios before installing the os. Thank you again.
Windows 7 professional 64 bit sp1 oem
case: coolermaster 690II advanced
PSU: corsair hx 650w
cpu: I7 2600k sandy bridge
ram: corsair vengeance 1600 ddr3 1.5v low profile 16g (4x4)
mobo: asus p8z68 v-pro gen 3
cpu cooler: noctua nh-d14
storage drives:1x crucial m4 128g ssd
:2x Wd 1tb 6gb/s 64mb cache
Interface: RME HDSPe Raydat
converters: 2x Behringer ada8000's
How many channels of audio will you be recording simultaneously?
Most problems come from controller throughput which with an i7 and Sandy Bridge is not going to be a problem.
The main problems with recording multiple simultaneous audio tracks is the HDD configuration.
You should always have your OS and applications (DAW app) on the main root drive C: (looks like that will be your SSD) no partitions..and have your audio recording drive a separate SATA internal drive D:
Yes I'm sure you will find the ADA good enough, but that all depends on what your recording and quality of the sound after you have a computer built and setup optimally.
BTW you should leave the BIOS in the default or "optimal" default setting, make sure all your drives, memory and video are recognized and your CDROM drive is available and ready to be set to the boot drive before you install Win7.
The BIOS can always be tweaked after everything is working and you have an operating system current and working...if you change a bunch of stuff in the BIOS and Win7 crashes or your hardware crashes you will have a hard time figuring out what needs to be reset to start over. You will end up going back to the default setting at that point anyway. Make sure all of your Asus BIOS and hardware drivers are installed and up to date before putting the Win7 disk in the CDROM drive and booting up.
For now I will only being recording 16 channels simultaneously.
Would any pcie slot on my mobo interfere with that?
I will be using the ssd for OS and programs, The 1st wd black for samples and plugins, And the 2nd for project files and misc. stuff. Would that be the best configuration? Could you give me a little rundown on how I should go about this for optimum performance?
I wont be using the pres on the converters, instead ill be using my Allen Heath mixwiz 16 channel mixer. All channels have a direct out and i have heard that the pres are very good on that model. Plus i love the PFL button so I can set my gain staging easier.
I have had some help with settings on the motherboard bios, like, Setting it for high performance and ahci.
How do i update drivers for these things before the OS is installed?
I don't think any slot will make any difference that you would notice....the RME manual might have a specific PCIe slot that it needs to operate properly (x1, 4,8, 16) which will be your first choice then which ever one physically will fit, which determines your typical choice.
Your HDD scheme should be SSD (OS, programs, DAW), audio drive for streaming project data and the sample drive. All of your plugin .dll's should be on the same drive as your DAW in the VST subfolder of your DAW application. Your right I meant make sure your drives, memory, video are all recognized before installing Win7...that way you can download all the updates from Windows...
Sounds like you have most of this put together already and done?....or are you still buying parts?
I have it all put together but eventually I will be getting a video card so I can run 2 or 3 monitors to help work flow but other than that I have everything assembled. As long as i set the storage devices to AHCI before installing the OS everything else could be changed around if any type of conflict occurs right? If i don't run a raid array I can still use some sort of program to automatically do drive backups periodically?
Absolutely...you need to get everything installed, running and stable with everything updated to latest and greatest.
Then if you think it needs it tweak one thing at a time to see if there is really any improvement. Without a default stable setup to begin with, you'll just end up chasing your tail trying to figure out what went wrong. Like certain graphic cards can sometimes cause conflicts, so it's best to get everything working using the default settings, then add things or change settings.
RAID arrays are not that useful in a recording system anyway....server applications or extreme gamer systems they can be useful but not recording...
Win7 has a complete backup feature...I just use that...I put copies of anything important I don't want to lose on my external 1Tb USB drive and then a copy on one of my big internal drives. That way you have at least two places for important stuff that can be easily moved to a different computer.
I'm really liking my new HDD docking station. Nowadays huge USB or eSATA external drives are cheap and easy to add to your system....anything else that gets corrupted or fails can be reinstalled from scratch like applications and Win7 which you have all the disks for.
What DAW are you installing?
Im going with sonar x1 producer expanded. Ive been using sonar for 8 or 9 years. The case I built my system in has a esata bay on top for another hdd so i think that would be perfect for backups. With the 3 internal storage drives ill be using could you explain to me again how you would configure that? OS and programs on the ssd? what else should go on that? then for the others what would be the most proficient? The ssd is only 128gb. Thanks again you've been very helpful.
Oh and when updating drivers and firmware what should i do with windows? should i get all the latest windows updates or leave that alone? They tend to install alot of junk especially since i wont use this as an internet machine.
You need to have all your programs, drivers and Win stuff on the C: drive. You won't fill 128Gb.
The audio recording drive can be any size and if it's the 1Tb it will be a long time before you fill that up with .wav files and project folders. Once a HDD reaches over 50% fill it will start getting slower (just because you now have 500Gb to sort through) but you can always archive that off to some other drive if it seems like a problem...not likely..
The sample drive you can certainly put stuff like NI libraries or other softsynth libraries just make sure the .dll VST plugin files go in your Sonar subfolder on C: and any .exe application files for your sound programs point to the sample drive locations when they launch and scan for the samples.
If they don't get linked with the proper path you will have problems. All of those programs ask you to choose the location to store stuff like that so make sure you select the location correctly during installation of the application, because you will struggle fixing the path after it's registered and installed ...you didn't mention what the "sample" drive will be used for??
I always keep Windows fully updated online with the latest security patches and service paks etc etc...Windows seem to be happy and stable when you let it tell you what it needs. If it's critical rest assured it will be...if it's optional then it's optional...but I would never make my own decision with that stuff....you have no idea what is important and many other companies rely on there software working properly and consistently with a fully updated Win OS...so if you take it upon yourself to think you know what's best and don't think you need it....I guarantee you'll be sorry....
Having internet access is not that big of a deal these days realtime, it's a convenience thing to me....you can always disable any antivirus or internet connection if you think it's problem...stuff like that can be annoying if it glitches while your recording....which is the only time they really can cause a problem....a friend had it happen once but I've never had it happen...
Don't forget to use the DPC tool that you can download online and run that to see how good your overall latency is....
With 16G of RAM I doubt you will ever even see any hiccups with that system even if some auto update thing did happen to start up in the background right in the middle of recording....if your just playing back tracks or mixing or something like that you would never even notice it.
It used to be the controller management was so razor thin that any interrupt would create a hang, stall or lockup...nowadays with multi-core processors and massive amounts of RAM that's pretty rare and especially with that much RAM...you'll never see that system use all of that...once you get it all running just check your performance meter in Windows and see how much your actually using....
If you find your system is having OS system hangs or interrupts from something in the background you can always create a start up boot profile with those things turned off....
That site that lists the different services that can be turned off (can't remember the name) is a good resource for tweaking un-needed services but just be aware that changes made to those services in the registry can cause other programs in your system to not start properly or stop working all together and cause inadvertent faults that will come out of nowhere...so just be aware...
My main concern would be the video card interfering with your Raydat cards. You won't ever get the Raydat cards side by side just do to the configuration of the pcie slots on the board, so I dearly hope that they aren't dependent or if they need to be connected via a ribbon, that it is long enough not to interfere with your graphics cards. Either that or you will need to utilize one of the graphics slots for the secondary card. Hopefully you don't intend for this machine to be multipurpose gaming/production machine. It just won't work out well if you do.
Regarding graphics cards, most of them will support multiple displays. Two at any rate. There is also on board video, I would utilize that as well.
I don't think there will be a problem getting a video card to fit without interfering with the RAYDAT. It has a ribbon cable that connects the main card to the expansion card but is very long. I could run the main in the top pcie slot and the expansion farther down with plenty of slack. Thanks for all the help I think I'm about to set this up and make some music.
Man I hate all the conflicting info that is on the web. Do you have to format new drives before installing the OS? I just read on another forum that you need to format ssd drives before installing the OS on it. And it also said that if you update your mobo bios you could have problems with the AHCI settings. Is this true of is someone giving out misinformation?
Brand new drives usually have to be formatted to the file structure of the OS they will be used with.
Win7 64bit will automatically do that for you before it starts copying any system files to it.
It's the first thing it does in the setup.
If all of your drives are new SATA drives then AHCI will work perfect...
Just FWIW offcenter2005....and I'm not trying to be mean or condescending....you really need to stop over guessing this stuff now...I don't know if you've never done this before...but it's not that hard.
So build your computer first....and see how that goes...one step at a time...
I'll give you the simple basic..(been doing this a long time)
Make sure you use a static pad and wrist strap, install the mobo, install the CPU and cooler, install the drives, install the memory sticks, hook up all the harnesses in the correct places, thoroughly read the Asus manual over and over and double check and ensure everything you've done is installed correctly....I can't over stress this enough....take your time and read each and every instruction.
Hook up a monitor, mouse and keyboard and fire that up.
Don't do anything else.
Don't install anything beyond these basic computer components.
If you get the post "beep" and can hit DEL or (F2) and see the BIOS after it starts up, your doing fantastic....you did good...pat yourself on the back and shout out to the heavens...take a break, relax....have another cup of coffee!
if not then you've missed something and you're going to have to unplug go back through the manual step by step again and find the error of your ways because you have nothing more than a dead box of electronics..don't panic....you didn't take your time, missed something or didn't follow the instructions.
Once you do get it to post and into the BIOS....check to make sure the BIOS sees all your HDD drives, optical drive and all 16G of your memory. Don't worry about changing anything!
Make sure the BIOS is set to default. Go to the boot menu and change the optical drive to be the first boot option. Save and exit.
Open the optical tray and put you Win7 disk in....close it.
Shut the computer off completely!!....count out 10 seconds.
Power it up and make sure the optical drive spins up and Win7 setup appears on your monitor.(BTW use VGA hookup during setup...you can change that later to DVI after everything is installed correctly).
Follow the Windows default setup steps to the letter and let Windows format your drives.
Always use the recommended or default settings Windows offers....don't do anything custom!
If everything is correct with Windows installation you will have a basic default Windows system.
Once you have that all working your half way there....take another break and pat on the back!
You can update or install any additional hardware drivers and whatever Windows or Asus tells you to.
After your new computer box is running smoothly and booting from the primary SSD drive with no hiccups or error messages...then unplug the computer and install the Raydat cards and anything else related to your recording stuff....then start tweaking.
You have to build the basic system first...any issues you have getting that far will be far serious than some forum opinion or guessing game...it will be much more helpful and useful to post back here for us to help you after that.
I hope that helps.....
I did all that exactly that way. Everything went well. I installed windows and the only drive being detected is the ssd. And it is saying that it is using all but 70 percent of the drive. I only installed windows and the asus drivers so far on that drive. Is this a problem. I know im over thinking this but what can you expect from a first time builder? Thanks though i just have no other option but to ask experienced builders.
OK....sounds like you have it all working then...
Anything to do with Windows, system drivers and programs should be on the SSD.
Sounds like you have the other two secondary drives and the Raydat to go now?
was i only supposed to install the ssd first? i installed all the drives and the wds are recognized in the device manager but not in the storage device window. and the raydat isnt showing up anywhere.
No that was fine
They should show up in your "My Computer" folder.
The Raydat will need the RME drivers installed.
Make sure you shut down the computer completely and power it back up (cold boot) whenever you change or add hardware.
The RME driver will show up in the Device Manger as RME in the Sound Devices.
They are not showing up where the ssd shows the bar with amount of space used. But if i go to computer and right click then manage, click storage, then disc management a page shows up that says you must initialize a disk before logical disk manager can access it. The two wds are there with the option of use the following partition style for the selected disks. which are master boot record and guid partition table. I hope i didnt mess something up cause i follewed the windows install to the t.
Just right click and see if they need to be formatted.
I would make them separate volumes and no partitions or master boot record.
You should be able to do a Quick format.
Separate names with a comma.