1. Register NOW and become part of this fantastic knowledge base forum! This message will go away once you have registered.

AT4050, Baby Blue, ShureKSM44

Discussion in 'Pro Audio Equipment' started by mike toti, Feb 23, 2004.

  1. mike toti

    mike toti Guest

    Hi all,
    Looking for a new mic purchase primarily for vocal use. At the moment im stuck with a Rode NT1 and a CAD M179. They're ok but im ready to take the next step up. My current preamp is a JoeMeek VCQ1, mackie XDR, and i've just ordered the RNP & RNC combo.
    My voice can be a bit husky and is somewhere between tenor and alto (i think). I was wondering if you guys would be able to help me out with mic selection. I would love to try these mics out but due to time constraints and difficulty in locating some of them in my area, I haven't had the chance to do so.
    I've narrowed it down to three at the moment from the various forum comments and reviews,

    AT4050
    Shure KSM44
    Baby Blue Bottle

    With my current mic pre's and my higher pitched voice which, would you recommend as my best bet?
    Im doing this blindly, I know! Any comments greatly appreciated.

    Cheers,
    Toti
     
  2. AudioGaff

    AudioGaff Distinguished Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2001
    Location:
    Silicon Valley
    Of those three, I would guess and expect that the AT4050 would do a good job and offer the most flexability. About a month ago I helped a friend record vocals at his place and we used my 4050 with his VC1Q and it as a pretty good combo with above average results.
     
  3. mike toti

    mike toti Guest

    Thanks AudioGaff. The AT4050 is definately the best bang for buck here, but im intrigued by the Shure KSM44 and the Baby has recieved indifferent reviews, which doesn't help. I think im gonna hav to listen to that one b4 i spend the bucks. The Blueberry also isn't out of the question but that'll be another $100 US on top of the KSM44 with less functionality. But then again this is primarily for a vocal mic, so top fidelity and not necessarily features is what im after.
     
  4. ryanhewitt

    ryanhewitt Guest

    I second the 4050... The big BLUE bottle rules, but the baby's not so great. If you don't need multiple patterns, the A/T 4047 is a good choice as well; warmer sounding than the 4050. I've never used the Shure on vocals, so I can't comment on what that would be like....

    RH
     
  5. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2001
    Location:
    Pacific NW
    The 4050 ,the KSM44,and the ADK A51tc are IMHO the best values available in mics today.All deliver excellent performance and at this price point, it becomes a matter of taste and what pleases the ear as far as choice.
     
  6. I just got a Baby Bottle yesterday, and, for the price, it's amazing, I think. So clean and smooth. I haven't used those other mics, but the Baby Bottle is a great one.

    Toti, what "indifferent" reviews have you read about the Baby Bottle? Everything I read has been good, sometimes very good.
     
  7. mike toti

    mike toti Guest

    Cominginsecond,
    It's mainly been user comments stating that it's a good to average vocal mic and more of a guitar mic. Some state that it's too dark and others can't praise it enough! It's all too confusing. Im gonna try and track one down today to see if i can have a listen.
     
  8. ShellTones

    ShellTones Guest

    You should consider the AT4040 as well. I haven't heard it only mag reviews and user reviews from people whose opinions I trust, including Steve at MOJO Pie (Ozraves).

    Here's a plan I am currently considering (except I don't have the mics you have):

    Ebay the NT1 and M179 to get another $250 in cash.

    I see new AT4040 mics on ebay often at $250. Get one. Or another option would be a good vocal dynamic like the Shure SM7 ($300).

    Spend your original $500 or so on one of the other mics you mentioned (the one that would best compliment the AT4040). I have seen KSM44s sell new with all accessories for $550 on ebay, BTW.

    Any way you mix them, this plan gives you two excellent mics instead of one excellent mic and two not-as-good mics.
     
  9. henryrobinett

    henryrobinett Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2002
    I recently bought two AT4050s. One from Full Compass for $409 (demo) and another from 8th Street Music for $499.. Great mics. Great value.
     
  10. mike toti

    mike toti Guest

    Thanks for all your comments guys. Today i got a chance to hear the 4050 and a KSM32 side by side. This place didn't have the KSM44 in stock.
    The 4050 sounded very transparent and clean, maybe a bit thin, but they were being run through a Behringer 'Eurorack' preamp, enough said! The ksm32 appeared more coloured especially in the highs and lows, or maybe a drop in midrange, one or the other. Does someone know how the ksm44 compares to the 32? I still haven't heard the baby bottle, just can't find one around here! I might leave that for another purchase. So it's now between the 4050 and the ksm44.
    Tough decision!
    Toti.
     
  11. Malpasoman

    Malpasoman Guest

    I have a Baby Bottle, but it's only used on amps/cabs. Works great for that. Haven't tried it on vox.
     
  12. ILOVESOUND

    ILOVESOUND Guest

    I have a tenor voice as well. It's somewhat airy, but also clearer and more focused on higher pitches. I had the baby bottle for a while (not long enough to really see what it can fully do), but the little I used it I didn't care for it on my voice. It was too dark for my taste and I felt like it made my voice sound kind of stuffy. I returned it and later picked up an SP C1 I was able to get for a really good deal. I instantly loved it for my voice. Open, clear, not overly bright. The one thing I wish it had was a little more body, but the fact that I run it through the 001's pres is probably the problem there. I need to just pony up and buy that Great River darn it.

    ILS
     
  13. mike toti

    mike toti Guest

    Thanks again guys. I've just placed an order for the Shure KSM44. I think i will eventually get the AT 4050 or 4047SV as well!
    Cheers,
    Toti
     
  14. RandomGuest

    RandomGuest Guest

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2001
    The KSM44 and AT4050 are in the same category sound-wise. If you have one, you'd probably be better off getting a second (to have a pair) than getting the other (to get two similar sounding mics).
     
  15. RaySolinski

    RaySolinski Active Member

    Joined:
    May 10, 2003
    Location:
    Cincinnati
    Home Page:
    I just got a KSM 44 and I really like it...good on male vox and acoustic guitar...pretty neutral sounding and very flexible...I haven't heard the Blue but I have heard a 4050...similar sound but I think the 44 is a little flatter and...rounder? Is that actually a word :) ..there is a guy on ebay who routinely sells 44's for 515$ plus shipping brand new in the box..that is where I got mine with no regrets..just my .02 worth

    Ray
     
  16. Barkingdogstudios

    Barkingdogstudios Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2003
    toti,

    With respect to your question about how the 32 compares to the 44 there's a good review on the SHURE KSM line here:

    http://www.acousticfingerstyle.com/ShureMicReview.htm

    I have a 32 and am debating whether to buy another 32 or move up to a pair of 44's and sell or trade in the 32. I'll probably end up getting a pair of 44's and keeping the 32.

    Cheers.
     
  17. Malpasoman

    Malpasoman Guest

    I've heard quite a few people rave about how nice the KSM44 sounded on acoustic guitar.
     
  18. mike toti

    mike toti Guest

    Thanks for the article barkingdogstudio. Again thanks to every1 for their input. Should get it in a week or so, can't wait!
     
  19. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2001
    Location:
    Pacific NW
    Toti, Congrats...Please keepus informed of your impressions of this mic when you get it and spend some time with it.I think you'll be totally happy.
     
  20. remmingr

    remmingr Guest

    I know this is alittle late but i just got up today. I have a 4050 and a baby bottle. I have used the 4050 on vocals, acoustic guitar, acoustic bass, vocals, and drum ohead. It seems to work well on all of these things for me. The baby bottle I just can't get excited about. I,ve tried it on all of the above and on electric guitar. It works ok an acoustic bass and kinda of ok on guitar,IF ,you record in a good room. The baby bottle doesn't have very good rear isolation and hears alot more of the room than other mics I have. It also has ALOT of output. I don't know if that's good or bad.
     

Share This Page