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Audio Myths & DAW Wars

Discussion in 'Recording' started by pcrecord, Sep 24, 2013.

  1. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    I found this nice link where some misconceptions are burned out..

    DAW Wars

    Let me know what you think of it !
     
  2. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    I bought the domains, DAWworld.com and DAWwars.com 10 years ago. I was pretty excited about all that at the time. Now its all nonsense. The industry and everything about gear is in a mess. So much BS.

    I've read this before and watched the video of these guys a few times. If gear didn't matter these guys wouldn't be selling the stuff they design.

    If the performance is great, it should sound just as convincing on a 20 year old Radio Shack cassette as it will on Pro Tools. But, I know I like the sound of what I'm getting right now and its neither of those systems.
     
  3. thatjeffguy

    thatjeffguy Active Member

    that should be required reading for all newbies entering the world of audio engineering! So many people buy the hype that manufacturers have thrown at them about higher sample rates, greater bit depths, etc. being 'better'. I personally have never bought the hype. Instead I researched. Google "Nyquist theory" and become educated all you newbies!

    Jeff
     
  4. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    I never record higher than 88.2 and I'm more often 44.1 these days. 88.2/ 24 sounds silkier to me but its more a resource hog so..
    Personally, Lavry has always been spot on to me, but, his stuff also sounds great @ 44.1. Lavry is really expensive compared to what? S stellar sounding 44.1 is worth every dime to me.

    Ethan Winer loves Sonar and I personally think it sucks compared to Sequoia. No comparison on how it does the math and works together in a hybrid system using Window 7. Not that I will ever use Apple for recording anymore, I'm told a Mac version is coming this Nov 2013.

    The music industry is all about dancing and glam around a wall of sound today. I can't figure any of this out to any degree of musical sanity anymore. What do I tell my kids who are breaking into the business right now?

    Just lay it down I say and we'll cross that bridge when we get there.
     
  5. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    If sofware makers were honest, they might sound like this :
    Hey ! My product is no better than others and bring nothing new, but since I need money and I took time to make it look nice, buy my product and I'll try to give you a good support (but I might fail to fix all the bugs)

    Sequoia got my interest.. When I get time I'll check it out..
     
  6. Mo Facta

    Mo Facta Active Member

    Gear matters to an extent and the medium you record on is a choice of aesthetics and subjective, subtle improvements not to mention a workflow issue. Also, I think it's extreme to be comparing a 20 year old Radio Shack cassette to modern pro-grade recording equipment. I get your thought process on making the distinction but think it's obvious the two will give drastically different results. Pros never have and never will record to 20 year old cassettes. I think the metaphor of putting a novice engineer and a mediocre band in a pro studio with state of the art equipment vs a lifetime pro in a modest project studio with a seasoned band is a more reasonable comparison. Who will make a better recording? And furthermore, which recording will sound more like music?

    Cheers :)
     
  7. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    I meant, saving the finished product on a tape deck.

    Big bass takes gear to make and control so depending on what you are doing, you may or may not need a level of gear to help that process along. Bass sells.

    A cheap PA and poor equipment will never attract crowd attention like high end sound and the man to make it happen. But, you cannot have one without the other. It starts and ends with gear. From a small show to large concerts, gear matters. If the mix sucks because the gear is $*^t, the audience doesn't heckle the soundman, they say the band sucks.
    But I'm hearing some people say they can make any band sound good on whatever they have available. Wow, not me. I need power and headroom, I need gear. I need good graphs, pre's and channels, gates, mics, a good room sure helps too.

    Hasn't it been like this since electricity entered the music industry. Nothing has changed and its no different in the recording and mastering industry today. At least in my circle. I know there are people that say they don't need much but that's just nonsense created around the state of this economy. Everyone would love to have the best of everything at their disposal.

    All the power to the Remy's of the world living on old parts and dreams of the past. It would be a better place if all we had to do is be good at what we do. But that's a dream and what all this DAW crap is about. Anyone that mixes solely ITB has no better chance than the next guy. So yes, the performance is everything then, from that perspective. Without the performance, you have absolutely nothing going on that most people can't out do you down the block.

    I'd be a rich man long ago if all I had to invest was a few grand in this rat race and show up. Even as a musician, I have always used the best instruments I could afford. I got wise and became a busy man because I took interest in technology and took pride in my sound. I have starving colleagues that never kept up with technology and never invested in themselves. They sit in the back, bitter, never clap.

    I got wise and started learning about technology long before the mass even knew what a workstation or MIDI was. Then I discovered good analog equipment and the rest is history.
    It takes a hell of a lot more than sheer talent and some DAW to make it in this business. Glad some here think its all about them but for me, I'm not that good. Gear definitely opened doors right from the day I started 38 years ago. But who's counting. I hope it never changes. I love technology.

    Cheers!
     
  8. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Gear isn't everything but it sure makes a difference. It's a hell of a lot easier making a track sound good with good tools. Can it be done with mediocre tools? Yes but it won't be easy. Can a good engineer make a good recording on cheap gear? No doubt about it but I can guarantee it would sound a whole lot better if he used quality gear in a quality room.
     

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