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behringer or similar

Discussion in 'Recording' started by Sanoz0r, Oct 17, 2003.

  1. Sanoz0r

    Sanoz0r Guest

    Hi people

    I want get a small, inexpensive (emphisis here) recording setup going. I got a nice sounding studio (with seperate control room), a good sound card (yes im using a computer) and good mics. But I need a mixing desk - i hate mixing on computer.

    Ok I know this will sound lame to you recording enthusiasts (sp??): but how does the Behringer eurodesk mx2442A (or similar) sound? Does any1 maby have an mp3 of a recording with one of these desks please? I really need to hear the quality.

    By the way im mixing drums, guitar, bass, vocals etc (the usual)

    thanks :)
  2. golli

    golli Active Member

    Apr 17, 2003
    Would you consider a digital desk?? If this soundcard provides you with going digital I/O, there are several desks to choose from. And those older 44.1 and 48 desks are dropping in price.
  3. Sanoz0r

    Sanoz0r Guest

    na, ill stick with analog golli :)
    i have neva liked digital stuff.

    I just want to hear this behringer in action... or anything in the same price range that is
  4. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Jul 2, 2002
    77 Sunset Lane.
    That mixer is a big piece of dooo dooo. Even a Wackie would be better. The "B" (we don't even like to write the word here because it creates web links) is very flimsey and their stuff usually self destructs within a year.. do yourself a favor and look around for a used 8 bus Wackie. (I never thought I'd hear myself say that!) Actually I hate all that stuff, but if you insist on this path, the Wackie will stand up much better...
  5. golli

    golli Active Member

    Apr 17, 2003
    Allen&Heath!!!! ;)
  6. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    Dec 10, 2001
    Pacific NW
    Used Yamaha....used Ramsa.....used 200/500/600 series Soundcraft.....there is no comparison between the sound of things like this and the B(b-word).....do yerself a favor and skip the cheap road....save yer cash...since you already have a working arrangement with the computer,bide yer time and search diligently.Do NOt quick buy because you think it will facillitate something you are simply not liking,in favor of limited sound quality.The boards you are thinking about sound a lot worse than your mixing in the box could ever sound....They will NOT provide you with any 'warmth'simply because they are analog.Golli was suggesting a digital mixer....probably Tascam,Panasonic,Yamaha,etc....Dont be too sure these arent what you're looking for..They all have an analog 'sheen' to them...this may be because they arent at the level of the highend SOnys and such....Again...stay away from the cheap end if you want quality mixes.

    A Panasonic DA7 with a good clock be a great way to build a nice recording foundation in a small studio.Especially with a good room.
  7. blogg1

    blogg1 Guest

    If you don´t want to spend a huge amount of money on a Ramsa or a Yamaha. You could check out a brand called Seck. I have their 1882 mixer and I think its a great 8 bus mixer.
    Of course if you have a larger wallet I don´t think you could go wrong with Yamaha, in my experiens they build great quality products.
  8. Sanoz0r

    Sanoz0r Guest

    thanks for the replys ppl.

    Ok so it sounds like a bad idea. I think I might just save up for a really good mixer. *sigh*

    I have Shure 57s,58s,81s and a Beta52A. Are these good enuf for a 'nice analog type recording'?
  9. launchpad67a

    launchpad67a Guest

    I've said it before and I'll say it again....Cheap gear is just that, Cheap!
    Save your money Until you have enough for something good. It's better to save and buy the right piece of gear as opposed to accumulating a bunch of sub-standard junk!
    You will be much happier in the long run.
    As for your mic's....you need better. Get just 1 great condenser and it will make all the difference.

    Remember....great gear + great ear = great sounds!

  10. Sanoz0r

    Sanoz0r Guest

    ok... i use those mics for live performances anyway. so ill need to buy more.

    What would u suggest? Just remember im still on a budget. Would those Shures be sutible for drum micing?

    thanks :)
  11. blogg1

    blogg1 Guest

    I think that you could come a long way with the Shures you have, allthough their all dynamic and there for mabye not optimal for voice/acusticinstrument-recording in a studio environment.
    You might need a condencer-microphone for that. If your on a budget I would suggest that you check out ADK 51. Its quite inexpensive and has a great sound.
    You could also check out Röde, they a bit more expensive but still quite affortable, but I would go for ADK 51, its definetly the best value for money.
  12. Dr.Blackwell

    Dr.Blackwell Guest

  13. BUZAIN

    BUZAIN Guest

    I have to agree with that.

    I found this board very anti-Behringer. Just because one person had a negative experience with one Behringer product does not mean that we should spread bad publicity about the whole company. What Behringer does is to bring us German engineering at a price that the averave Joe can afford. That should be encouraged and respected, instead of complaining all the time.

    My personal experience with Behringer so far has been very positive and I have nothing to complain about.

    SANO, Where in Cape Town do you live? I know the city prety well even though I don't live there any more(from Simonstown way up to to Parrow and from Somerset West to Green point).

    Check out some of my studio pics:

    web page
  14. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Jul 2, 2002
    77 Sunset Lane.
    It's junk I say and it's built in China with questionable labor ... Last anyone who thinks any of this stuff sounds good, hasn't ever heard good gear or must be deaf, one or the other. I don't encourage folks to purchase crappy gear that blows up or falls apart in a year.
  15. AudioGaff

    AudioGaff Distinguished Member

    Feb 23, 2001
    Silicon Valley
    Well, You could by the real product or the Behringer product which in almost ALL cases is a stolen, copied, cheaper made, stripped down, lower quality version of the same thing that causes you to suffer with pain and regret once you figure out that you've been ripped off and are stuck with a worthless piece of $*^t!

    But no, I don't hate Behringer...
  16. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Jul 2, 2002
    77 Sunset Lane.
    You forgot to mention that usually Behringer is copieing a cheapo pice / design in the first place, then they cut corners and get it assembled using slave labor from China .. and yes, I do hate that stuff.
  17. BUZAIN

    BUZAIN Guest

    Well, Studio Projects have their microphones made in China. Should we now not buy them just because they are made in China?
  18. drbam

    drbam Guest

    I agree that it would be great if everyone could wait to buy "real" gear. However, if I would have taken that route, I would not have been able to grow into the fairly nice studio I have today. My first setup was a Behringer 2642 and 2 blackface ADATs. I recorded 2 CDs on this, both of which made a profit and allowed me to move up to better gear. I bought the 2642 used and had it for almost 2 years (even did a couple of remote gigs) and sold it to a hobbiest friend 3 years ago who is still using it. It hasn't blown up or had any other problems and its been heavily used for 6 years now. I think most of the Behringer criticism is justifed but in Kurt's case he often sounds like someone with post tramatic stress disorder (someone who's been psychologically traumatized by events like war or a brutal attack) and his comments regarding this issue are so charged and over the top that I have started to become skeptical of his comments in general (I doubt he's been traumatized by "B" but it sounds like it). Please know that this is not meant as a personal attack on Kurt. I'm just attempting to balance out what I see as an unfairly skewed view of some of the lower end gear because my main concern is that this might influence some newbee artists to give up simply because they can't afford the so called real stuff. This would be a sad thing in my view.


  19. HiString

    HiString Guest

    QUOTE............"Well, Studio Projects have their microphones made in China. Should we now not buy them just because they are made in China"

    There is a radical difference in the philosophies between Behringer and Studio Projects so that really isn't a fair comparison. You should also add that MXL and most ADK mics are also made in Asia, not to mention the plethora of lesser known brand names. Rode had almost all their capsules made at the same factory that make Studio Projects, although rumour has it that they are eventually moving all manufacturing to their new factory in Oz.

    When buying Behringer gear, you have to accept that their gear is not made with quality components and the QC is usually woeful. Consequently, even though some people get good use from their Behri gear, there are a lot who have the opposite experience.

    You would be far better served by finding a used Mackie 8 bus, or even better a Soundcraft Spirit Studio 8 bus or an Allen and Heath.

  20. Skeetch

    Skeetch Guest

    Precisely!! The only "B" gear I've owned were DI boxes and I never had any problems with them. However, I view the "cheap stuff" (regardless of who manufactures it) as stepping stones on the way to "better" more capable gear. You start learning the craft on the lower priced gear and gradually acquire better tools - though in some cases the budget gear is pretty good.

    Something I've always found irritating is the tendency of some of the "pros" to lump all the home reccer's into one group that thinks their home rigs can produce recordings that sound like they were done at a top dollar room. Fact is, many of us don't sport that attitude but still want to learn the craft and work towards making the best recordings we can. Some of us even side with audio elite in believing that much of today's music is just plain sonically awful and want to do whatever we can to correct that.

    I think many of old schoolers tend to forget that they didn't start out buying the top dollar gear either. They had opportunities to hone their chops in someone else's room and gradually work their way up the ladder. Those rooms likely had great gear to begin with and learning on it has likely biased the opinions of many of those leveling the harshest criticisms against "the cheap stuff." Those kinds of opportunities are either in short supply these days, or simply don't exist for many of us.

    I'm not saying anyone just starting out should run right out and buy a bunch of "B" gear. I have a number of problems with the way that particular company does business. However, just as not all "bottom feeders" are created the same, neither are all "budget audio gear" companies created the same. IMO, starting out with budget gear can be a valid way of learning the basics of this craft. Learn to make the best recordings you can with what you have and, if you want to continue to improve, make strategic gear upgrades as you can afford to. A humble attitude and a desire to learn (and never stop learning) are, IMO, key ingredients to making great sounding recordings.

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