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Best DAW?

Discussion in 'Recording' started by downflow, Apr 4, 2003.

  1. downflow

    downflow Guest

    I am about to be in the market for a DAW I believe. Any suggestions? I was just trying to edit some drums on my Fostex VF-160 and I couldn't do what I needed to do. I was just trying to cut out a crappy fill and either replace it with another, or just graft a straight 4/4 back over it. I went into scrub zoom and when I set a mark, it would not cut on my mark! Also I tried to copy a kick drum hit, so I could move it somewhere else, and apparently I can't edit such a small bit of data. I am pretty disappointed. So anyway, are all the computer based DAW's able to do this type of editing or what? I was looking at Cubase SX btw. If one of the others is a lot better for more money, I would consider it also.
  2. Blutone

    Blutone Guest

    Cubase SX should do ya just fine, man.
  3. downflow

    downflow Guest

    What about Cakewalk Pro 9.0 or Sound Forge 6.0? Do these differ greatly from Cubase?
  4. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Distinguished Member

    Apr 7, 2001
    Well, if you would be looking into a DAW it would not be Cakewalk, as it is now called Sonar!

    Sonar 2.x is supposed to be really good but I can't comment since I haven't used it at all.

    Never been a fan of that software myself, but again, that's my opinion.

    I'm a huge Steinberg fan as I love their interface and flexible configurations and the ability to add VST, Direct X programs within.
    Also rewire capabilities with Reason!

    I would see about getting demo's of any program to try them out first.

    Also any Guitar Center usually has these programs on a system for you to try out as well.

    Sound Forge is only a two track editor and not a multi-track editor like Cubase or Sonar.

    I would recommend SX as well since it's editing is very top notch with some great features built into it.

    Things like, Hit Points(Recycle program to make Rex files), real time processing and off line processing to save CPU usage, extereme sample editing and drawing, great automation capabilities, great sync setup scenarios and much much more!

    Hope that helps

    Opus :D
  5. jdier

    jdier Active Member

    Mar 20, 2003
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    I just went through a similar decision making process. What helped me a great deal was downloading the Sonar Demo and messing with it. I ran it on a wimpy 333mhz ibm with built in sound card, but it was good enought for me to decide that it had everything I was looking for. I also found the manual (in the help file) very useful. I think any of the softwares you mentioned could do what you are thinking about doing, but Sonar is nice because you can try before you buy.
  6. Roly

    Roly Guest

    Please check my post in New Used or Trade.
    thanks Roly
  7. Robertibi1

    Robertibi1 Guest


    One consideration that might help you make your decision is what kind of computer will host the DAW, i.e., PC or MAC and the 'horsepower' in the machine? Can the machine handle the software??

    I use Cubase SX and love it. I'm relatively new to DAWs so Cubase was/is a little intimdating. It's a powerful application with many, many features and functions. It's probably closer to a so called professional app then say Sonar or Sound Forge. Jim mentioned that Sonar ran on his 'crappy' computer where he might not have had as much luck with trying to run Cubase SX.

    Other considerations, Cubase SX prefers to be on an Win2000 or WinXP OS.

    Samplitude 7.x is getting a lot of attention, even in the Cubase forums. It has features that we have been waiting for in Cubase SX. I haven't tried it yet but hearing some good things. The most common negative remark I hear is that Samplitude is weak in the midi department.

    Which brings me to another question, are you strickly audio or audio and midi?

    The best advise has already been offered, if you can, try before you buy.

    Oh yea, don't be spending all of your money on the software. The soundcard is THE MOST IMPORTANT piece in any DAW.

    These are stickly my opinions and do not represent the opinions of this forum or the people involved with this forum. :D
  8. BrockStapper

    BrockStapper Guest

    I've been a Samplitude user for years and love that program. The midi features are improving and vst and vsti integration has taken a major step forward with the new version (7.1). The forum is moderated by the developers themselves so you have a direct line of communication. I've seen bugs mentioned and fixed in the same week. Try that with Steinberg. If I was more midi based I would go with sx, but for audio and usable midi I say Samplitude 7.1 pro. The bang for the buck is pretty incredible. Lots of high quality effects and laid out for an audio engineer (not a computer dude... no offense intended...). also, basically all features of wavelab are integrated as well. batch processing, cd burning, etc...

  9. Ruben

    Ruben Guest

    Sonar is a very powerful, and I think underrated, audio program. As others have said, you can try the demo and see if it works for you. It is at version 2.2 now, and has become very stable (with most hardware) and now supports ASIO drivers. I would also say that Logic 5x and Samplitude are both awesome, but I feel that the learning curve for either of them is greater than Sonar, and Sonar is a better sequencer than Samp.

    Sound Forge 6 is only 2 channel, as mentioned above, but it is an very cool editor. I use it to edit/master after I have mixed from Sonar or Logic.
  10. suspec57

    suspec57 Guest

    I will admit that i used to be a loyal cakewalk/sonar user (that was, until i started using nuendo). Sonar XL2.2 is an underated program. Though its interface isn't as eye pleasing as stienberg apps, the programs works very good. There are a few things that i still find easier to do on sonar over nuendo such as inserting markers. In Nuendo you have to open a marker track (unless you set up your own template of course) vs sonar has a marker track integrated into the track window. Also Sonar has the ability to apply all the effects of each track into the wave all at once, giving the user the ability to apply more effects if needed with ease; on nuendo, unless i just haven't learned how to do it yet, can't do this. But over all, I found nuendo easier to use, better sounding, and better looking. I also found that i can do things faster on it and it has extensive routing for effects like a real studio. You can run reason with it just like sonar and you can use both dx and vst plug-ins. Cubase SX is very similar so if you ask for my opinion between sonar xl and cubase, i would go for cubase. Just don't use it on mac because alot of people tell me that it crashes like crazy on macs.
  11. Pez

    Pez Active Member

    Dec 27, 2002
    You could take a chance and go with Nuendo 2.0 and hope it's not full of problems as Steinberg seems to be a bit slow fixing bugs. You may have to wait a month before it's in your local stores. It appears to be a feature rich pro product. If you're heavy into midi and on a budget Sonar may be the current best choice. If support is important to you I would check out Samplitude 7. I haven't used it but I've heard great things about customer support plus full delay compensation for your plugins. The ability to mix, master, and burn CDs in the same app is appealing to me. I'm looking forward to the NAMM show so that I can check it out. Almost all of these choices sound good if you record at 24 bit or higher. Perhaps identical would be the word- it's just math after all. (Let the flames begin)- Plugins are a different story however. Find one with good EQs and compressors, reverbs (such as Samplitudes convolution), etc. Support, ease of use, and an interface that is pleasant to you is essential. You also may ask around and see what your friends are using so that it is easy to share files.
  12. Hypothesis

    Hypothesis Guest

    Hi Downflow,

    All of the programs mentioned above (Cubase SX, Nuendo, Samplitude) are really fine pieces of software, but if you're starting in the DAW world I think that the BEST solution would definitely be the Cakewalk SONAR 2.2... It is a very straightforward program with all the tools you would ever need and almost no learning curve at all... It may not visually be as pleasing as Cubase & Nuendo, but it's interface is definitely easier and closer to the MUSICIAN's LOGIC, if you know what I mean. It's price/performance rate is also much better than the other's. If you need a direct comparison chart between Sonar & Cubase, take a look at this link :
    Cubase SX vs. Cakewalk Sonar

    Cheers !
  13. falkon2

    falkon2 Well-Known Member

    Mar 17, 2003
    Interesting... I want to see what the die-hard Cubase fanatics have to say about this one. Even to me (an admitted Sonar fanboy) the comparison seemed a tad biased. True, all those points brought up make sense, but all of Cubase's strong points were totally ignored or overlooked.
  14. BrockStapper

    BrockStapper Guest

    Looks like the new Samplitude demo is up...

  15. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Distinguished Member

    Apr 7, 2001
    I decided to leave that one alone actually.

    It may be a good program to start on but there are definite features which are truly lacking to make it a "logical" program IMHO.

    Opus :roll:
  16. efiebke

    efiebke Active Member

    Jun 30, 2001
    New York
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    I own three programs: Emagic's Logic (LAWP 5.51); Steinberg's SX; and now Cakewalk's Sonar 2.2

    Just upgraded to Sonar 2.2. For years, prior to 2000, I used Cakewalk 4.something before purchasing my first version Logic. Much to my surprise, everything configured out just nicely with the midi and the audio.

    Except for one major problem.

    I can't get the ASIO audio drivers to work with the Motu 2408 mkII. So, I have to use the WDM drivers. . . which seems to work just fine with low latency. So far.

    My favorite DAW? Emagic's Logic. I'm just so sorry that the new parent company doesn't support the program for PC users anymore.

    All in all, though, I think it just comes down to person preference. I mainly use the SX program now because of the many Steinberg plug-in's purchased. Although I prefer the "look" and layout of the Logic program, SX is equally stable and produces the same great sounding mixes to my ears as the Logic program.

    I purchased the the Sonar upgrade because I've recorded three important albums using an older version of Cakewalk and want to access those old files. Now I can, thankfully.

    Never tried the Samplitude program. I guess I'll stick to what I have.
  17. BrockStapper

    BrockStapper Guest

    up until a few years ago no-one I talked to had even heard of Samplitude. I'm just glad it is becoming a recognizable name along with the other staple daws. I had some very real concerns that samplitude would be no more when emagic took over distribution of Magix (samplitude's parent company... I know confusing...). some good came out of that brief marriage, though, as the samplitude developement actually created the freeze feature in conjunction with emagic (which is why it is in both programs) and I'm sure they picked up a few midi tips while they were there. Now they just have to get all of that working well. Pretty daunting task but they are doing a fine job. And I'm a happy camper as it seems my daw of choice has a bright future...

    Best to all,
  18. nuclearmoon

    nuclearmoon Guest

    I am very surprised no one has mentioned Pro Tools, the industry standard DAW. Of course, the question still remains about your MIDI needs, but if you are planning to record mostly live instruments, then Pro Tools is an awesome solution. IMHO Pro Tools is the mark of a pro, plus HUGE compatibility with many LA studios. Pro Tools LE and the Digi 001 are very competitive in price to all these other solutions mentioned. Logic is an excellent choice for MIDI needs and the new parent company is Apple Computer. You'll find there again Apple is an industry standard. I'll probably get flamed for this, but Macs are a large percentage of what you will find in the biz.....get used to using them. Computers are the tools, no matter the platform, so don't limit yourselves to only philips screwdrivers, if you get my meaning. Good luck!
  19. Pez

    Pez Active Member

    Dec 27, 2002
    It's just that the Motorola screwdriver turns so slowly.... ;)
  20. nuclearmoon

    nuclearmoon Guest

    Ah, but now we have an IBM DRILL with multiple bits!!!!!!


    Did I just hear the Mac Community collectively say, "Buhbye, Motorola"???? I think so......... ;)

    Have a good day guys!

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