Better than DAT

Discussion in 'Location Recording' started by Cucco, Mar 28, 2005.

  1. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    In my quest for an ever better format than DAT for backup, I've run across this new product. It's from Marantz and records on compact flash cards at 16/44.1. The price is right at just under $500!!! Plus it's super small!

    huh, huh, that's cool...
  2. Someday

    Someday Guest

    The problem is that since 1999 i have to backup at 24 bit, and mostly at 48 kHz.
    Anyway Flash RAM is the future. Very soon we will forget spinning medias.
  3. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    What I referred to as "Back-up" was my "Oh-crap" copy. In other words, something that will record a performance in case my primary unit fails. In cases such as that, I'm more than willing to accept 16/44.1.

    As for true back-up, or archival, I archive to Hard Drive. They're just to cheap to even consider using DATs or DVD's as my backups.


    Of course, I just saw on the same site that Edirol is making a portable HD recorder with up to 4 tracks. Cool!
  4. JoeH

    JoeH Well-Known Member

    Dammit, Jeremy; you WOULD go and try to ruin my budget for this season, wouldn't ya! :lol:

    Such a cool, sexy, well-equipped fun, useful TOY, er....TOOL!!!! (I'm trying to come up with a reason NOT to get such a thing...)

    Just imagine; two omni's and this baby, you could walk in to a remote with a handbag & two stands: pull off an archive recording with ease, and be out of there in time to beat the post-concert traffic. :twisted:

    Well, seriously, it looks temping alright. In my own gear lust, er....never-ending quest that do things more efficiently, I'm not adverse to downsizing. And the less moving parts, the better!

    For example, I am THISCLOSE to dropping my Tascam DA-x8s from live use because I haven't needed any tape backup whatsoever in the last 2 years now. (Yeah yeah, I know; I can hear old man Murphy LAUGHING at me, waiting for me to screw up....) How much backup is enough? I do laptop/HD, CDr, and multitrack tape on most remotes. Other times, it's just the HD multitrack and CDr, on my second system. (Third system is just the CDr and DA-38, when it goes out at all.)

    The Marantz is VERY tempting, but I've seen an uptick in clients requests for CDr's immediately following concerts, esp if we're doing a series and they want to listen from night to night, or session to session. I suppose I COULD just use the 2-mix safety that I record into the laptop as well for quick&dirty CDr's, but it still makes me nervous. (Plus you're NEVER done packing up if people are hopping from foot to foot waiting on CDr copies. Then I start thinking about stand-alone desktop CDr COPIERS for the gig...sheeesh...will it EVER end? )

    Decisions, decisions...... I DO like the idea of a standalone, battery driven safety copy independent of everything else. (Now that I think about it, I COULD get a larger SD chip and digitial audio interface to run the same thing into my IPAQ....It WILL do 16/44.....hmmmmmmm......)
  5. foldedpath

    foldedpath Guest

    There is also the Edirol R1, which does either 24 bit or 16 bit:

    It streets for about $440 USD, but you'd need to add the cost of a 2 GB CFC to record concerts at either resolution:

    16/44.1k = 47 minutes with a 256mb CFC, 188 minutes with a 2 GB CFC.

    24/44.1 = 31 minutes with a 256mb CFC, 125 minutes with a 2 GB CFC.

    The only thing I don't like about the design is no digital SP/DIF input, so you could bypass the converters if you're working with a digital mixer or laptop rig. At this price point, I'm sure the converters aren't wonderful quality. But I guess if you're using it mainly as a backup recorder, it might be best to be tapping an analog signal earlier in the main recording chain anyway?

    Edirol also has the R4, a 4-track version, but I doubt you could get enough recording time that way.

    Mike Barrs
  6. ghellquist

    ghellquist Member

    >>Edirol also has the R4, a 4-track version, but I doubt you could get enough recording time that way.

    Different technology. Built-in hard-disk. I´m very tempted by this box myself. Trying hard to get my hands dirty in a review job for a magazine around here. I´ll tell you if anything happens.

  7. JoeH

    JoeH Well-Known Member

    yes, I think it's all heading this way, eventually. Beyond CDr, these things would seem to be a no-brainer solution for safety backup. No moving parts, battery powered, and a choice of 24 or 16 bit specs.

    For something small enough to fit in a briefcase (or stowaway with your laptop), these seem like a perfect backup plan in case of ANY disaster. Just imagine: Run one of these off a spare 2-mix analog send (in addition to your CDr or MDM), and you're doubly protected. Nice.

    Check, please! :cool:
  8. John Stafford

    John Stafford Well-Known Member

    I just want something that has digital input. This thing for Core Sound looks like fun.

  9. recordista

    recordista Active Member

    Preamps are a bit noisy for that IMO.

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