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Bottom snare mic phase question

Discussion in 'Drums' started by sproll, Nov 9, 2004.

  1. sproll

    sproll Active Member

    Oct 7, 2004

    I am trying for the first time putting a mic on the bottom of my snare (sm57 on top, audix d2 on bottom) and am curious about phase.

    We record using the maudio delta 1010, and on its control panel there is an option to flip phase 180 degrees. Should I be using this on the bottom mic, or should I be doing it in soundforge or something equivalent. Is 180 degrees the proper setting? I think it is but I just want to make sure.

    BTW - I really like the sound of the D2 on the bottom, brings out a lot of "meat"
  2. shock

    shock Guest

    180 is correct.
    If it sounds good - do it. If not, don't. :)
    There doesn't seem to be a general rule about phase inverts on bottom mics.
  3. Doublehelix

    Doublehelix Distinguished Member

    Oct 7, 2001
    I usually invert by 180 also, since that is the only option I have!!! If I had the Little Labs IBP, I sould experiment...

    Personally, I prefer a brighter mic than the D2 on the snare bottom picking up the crack of the snares. I use a Sennheiser MD441, and it really adds to the 57 on the snare top...
  4. LittleDogAudio

    LittleDogAudio Active Member

    Sep 24, 2004
    While a bottom snare mic may "generally" be 180 degrees out of phase with the top mic, I would suggest using your wave editor to invert, then nudge the bottom mic into a more precise phase coherancy.

    Hope this helps,
  5. sproll

    sproll Active Member

    Oct 7, 2004
    Thanks for the tips everyone.

    I'll record and use the wav editor to flip phase and line it up.

    Doublehelix, the snare I'm recording is a small tight and high pitched snare (almost like a piccalo) so I find the D2 is pretty good... however, I will try some other ones to see which I like best. I have another sm57 and an Audix D1 at my disposal.

  6. Bodhi

    Bodhi Active Member

    Jun 11, 2004
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    I always thought phase problems occured when one used identical mics on the same source. Didn't know they could happen with mics as different as a D2 and SM57. How can you tell? Is it blatantly obvious, thin, etc?
  7. johnwy

    johnwy Well-Known Member

    Jan 6, 2003
    Smithtown, NY
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    the more mics you have on a single sound source, the more potential you have for phase problems, makes no difference what microphones you have on the source(s). In alot of cases you will notice that there will be a loss in low end ( in the case of micing a snare with mics on the top and bottom skins). Other cases you may notice some comb filtering throughout the spectrum. best way to check is to listen to what your doing in mono if possible.

    there is another thread named "misconceptions about phase" where it is further debated.

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