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Can someone help me with my channel mixer

Discussion in 'Recording' started by keenrecords, Dec 13, 2009.

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  1. keenrecords

    keenrecords Guest

    Alright got no idea how to use this thing lol no one told me how just said with my MXL 990 mic that i'd need a channel mixer or preamp, couldnt afford the amp so I got the mixer and don't know how to properly use it or set it up. can someone help me or make me understand it better? I'm working with Audcaity as my recording software until I can get my adobe products back.
     
  2. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    Need more info.

    What brand and model is the mixer?
    What are you recording to?
    Why isn't this in the Newbies forum?

    Trust me. If you don't know how to use a mixer you definitely shouldn't be posting anywhere else.
     
  3. keenrecords

    keenrecords Guest

    What brand and model is the mixer? It's this http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102920&CAWELAID=107592191
    What are you recording to? Record into adobe auditions
    Why isn't this in the Newbies forum? Cause im a newbie

    k?
     
  4. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    How are you getting this into the computer itself? The mic jack built into the computer?

    The mixer you linked to is not a computer interface which is really what you need. Your best bet is to return the Radio Shack "mixer" and purchase an inexpensive 2 channel computer interface.
     
  5. keenrecords

    keenrecords Guest

    I have u control

    http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000J0IIEQ/?tag=recording.org-20

    But its not showing a slot for my mic
     
  6. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    First, your components are not very good-especially the Radio Shack "mixer" and the Behr.... "interface."

    However, with the gear you have, it's still going to be difficult. You do not have a microphone preamp at all. The Radio Shack mixer assumes you already have the microphone running through a preamplifier before it gets to the Radio Shack device. That's why you can't figure out how to hook up the MXL microphone. I cannot tell what the input jacks are on the Radio Shack mixer. You will need some sort of converter cable to get from XLR-F to 1/4 inch TS or 1/8 inch TS whatever on the Radio Shack mixer. From there you will go out of the Radio Shack to the Behr... junk with RCA cables.

    This is not going to work well if at all.
     
  7. keenrecords

    keenrecords Guest

    Instead of telling me whats not going to work and that it's going to be hard why dont you tell me exactly what I need. Or if theres a way I can have my mic jack directlt in my pc or get a usb adapter for it. Something like that since i cant go out and spend 100 buck.
     
  8. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    I told you how to do it. You are the one showing up with a pile of useless and unrelated equipment and no idea how to use any of it. The fact that what I told you in my prior post was indeed how to hook the equipment up just reinforces that fact.

    Bottom line is that you need a microphone preamplifier prior to going into the Radio Shack device. No, I do not have a recommendation for you. I will not associate myself however indirectly with things that are so poorly designed and inadequate.

    Good luck. I'm out.
     
  9. jg49

    jg49 Well-Known Member

    THis is really a Rube Goldberg device set up
    http://mousetrapcontraptions.com/cool-machines-3.html

    You could buy an ART Preamp
    http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/ART-Tube-MP-Studio-Mic-Preamp?sku=180581&src=3WFRWXX&ZYXSEM=0&CAWELAID=41699112

    but really study the machine in the first link and try to relate that this is the approach you are using.
     
  10. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Actually, that mixer is designed for cassette players or turntables. I don't think they ever intended for it to be used with microphones at all.

    As it is, if you can't go out and spend $100 much less $1000, you're not going to be making a whole lot of "keen" recordings. This hobby is expensive and a minimum of $100 is needed for the most basic of audio interfaces.

    You got your answer already. If you do end up buying a preamp like the one suggested, you will also need to get a 1/4" phono to RCA converter if you want to use that mixer.

    Considering the amount of money you will have to spend just to get you up to par, you may as well take those two back and get a basic interface that is plug and play. Like this one.
     
  11. jg49

    jg49 Well-Known Member

    I totally agree with Huseph and completely understand Jack's reluctance to help you commit recording butchery. Returning what you have and spending $75.00 - $100.00 is going to bring you so much much further along the path. You got some great advice from two guys that you ought to take.
     
  12. keenrecords

    keenrecords Guest

    Which is why I asked at a recording website on how to set it up and what's the cheapest way to go. As for the record name it's my last name also and my alias "Keen". I have people to do proper mixes to get the best out of quality I can mix just fine myself.

    I never claimed to be an expert I admit I have no idea on what I'm doing this is my first time setting up studio quality material and I can't afford anything fancy or pricey. So have a good day.

    Might just be me but people don't need to start getting attitudy towards myself trying to learn how to do all this since it's my first time. And if I brought up an attitude I apologize for it. This stuff can get irritating.
     
  13. jg49

    jg49 Well-Known Member

    If you want to learn as you say you do, then understand the cheapest best way to accomplish what you are trying to do is mic>cable>interface>usb cable> computer & software oh yeah and at least a decent set of headphones.
     
  14. keenrecords

    keenrecords Guest

    I got all those cept I think i picked up the wrong interface part. Since my mics mxl 990 would I still need phantom power?
     
  15. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    Sell or return all of what you have except the mic. This is the cheapest USB unit I can condone. It will do everything you want without monkey f***ing it together.

    Lexicon Lambda.
     
  16. Don Schenk

    Don Schenk Active Member

    Mr K,

    I think I can shed some light on this situation. A microphone puts out a very weak audio signal. That low level (weak) signal needs to be amplified before it goes into your computer. This is what a preamplifier does.

    Once the mic's signal is preamplified, the signal then needs to go into some kind of interface device that will interface with (into) your computer.

    You MXL mic is a condenser mic, and as such also needs a voltage sent to it for it to work. I won't go into the electronics. (You can google condenser mic). A preamplifier will provide that for the mic.

    You would attach mic to preamplifier (the preamp also provides a working voltage to the mic - called phantom power). The output of the preamp then goes into a device that will connect it to the USB port on your computer.

    You then can record one track at a time in Audacity.

    Fortunately there are preamp+phantom power+digital converter+USB in a box type of devices available.

    Go google a device called a Blue Icicle. I know musician's friend has them. The blue Icicle is an inexpensive giszmo that is a combination mic preamp, phantom power provider, and analog to digital (USB) converter all in one easy to use device.

    There are other USB preamplifiers too. Some are expensive and some not expensive. The Blue Icicle is just one example of such a device.

    I hope this helps, and also hope you can return that stuff to Radio Shack and put the money into something that will let you get an audio signal into Audacity. The folks at Radio Shack have absolutely no clue how any of this works.

    (y)on
     
  17. keenrecords

    keenrecords Guest

    Thanks :cool:
     
  18. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Not the Icicle. No! For a little more money you can get a basic interface that isn't as much of a compromise. The icicle is hardly worth the money. Don't be cheap for the sake of being cheap. You're only going to find that you need to upgrade later.

    Lambda is $150
    http://www.zzounds.com/item--LEXLAMBDA

    Alpha is $80
    http://www.zzounds.com/item--LEXALPHA

    Emu 0404 $200
    http://www.zzounds.com/item--EMU0404

    M-Audio Mobile Pre USB $150
    http://www.zzounds.com/item--MDOMOBILEPRE

    You want a mixer? It's going to cost a lot more than $100.

    For a basic unit here's the Onyx i series firewire interface $700:

    http://www.zzounds.com/item--MACONYX1220I

    Here's an 8 channel interface that apparently does multitracking using USB 2.0. I've never used it but there are people around who swear it works well. Tascam 1641 $300

    http://www.zzounds.com/item--TASUS1641

    The thing you are paying for with the multiple channel interfaces is the ability to simultaneously record more than 2 channels to separate tracks simultaneously. It costs money to make a device do this. There is no way around it. Take that garbage that the salesman pawned off to you back to him and tell him you want something that is worth your time and money.
     
  19. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Incidentally, mr. Schenk did not tell you anything that hasn't been mentioned already. All he did is give you bad advice on a product that is not worth it's sales tag. As much as people like Blue products there are at least a few of their products that I think are sub standard at best. That is only my opinion though.
     
  20. keenrecords

    keenrecords Guest

    He gave advice which is what I need which is why I thanked him as I have everyone else who helped :roll:
     
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