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Discussion in 'Recording' started by razed, Nov 4, 2008.

  1. razed

    razed Guest

    So, I'm new at this. I'm overwhelmed by the amount of stuff there is to learn. Anyway, to my question. I want to get a home recording/producing setup as a hobby. I'd play guitar, bass, keys, and hopefully get fairly proficient with some beat software. The key here is that it's just a hobby. I've been reading through guides, wanting to build this from scratch, but I'd like to go over it with you guys before I purchase anything, because I want to make sure I do this right.

    My main goal is to be able to do some dub reggae; play all my tracks simultaneously and adjust each track in real time on the mixer. Does this make sense? Please forgive my lack of terminology here.

    • Sound Card:
      http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829121120&Tpk=M-Audio Audiophile 2496
      Computer:
      http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883108197
      Mixer:
      http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product?sku=631229X
      Reverb/Echo Processor:
      http://www.guitarcenter.com/Lexicon-MX200-Dual-Reverb-Effects-Processor-103145934-i1125116.gc?CJAID=10449560&CJPID=1457553

    I know the computer is minimal, but I have enough extra RAM laying around to get it up to 2 gigs, and I also have a spare monitor. I also know that I'd need monitors and mics eventually, but given that most of what I want to do is instrumental (plus the amount of time it's going to take to get started learning how to use all this), I'm not too worried about getting those immediately. So, with all that being said, would this setup allow me to do what I want? Am I leaving anything out?

    Thanks in advance. :-?
     
  2. Greener

    Greener Guest

    Don't use that sound card, they are a multi-medea card. It's designed to be the best for people who play games and watch DVD's. Not for recording.
    The mixer will sound like a radio, even though you don't want it to. I've stuck my ear into a few of them, they suck.

    When you say you want to do "dub reggae" is that where you just re-mix other people music? In this case you probably will be fine with what you have listed.

    It's cheap and will be nasty. Just warning you. :p
     
  3. GeckoMusic

    GeckoMusic Guest

    The 2496 could get the job done if you don't plan on recording more than two tracks at the same time. M-Audio works great for recording audio. I would recommend the M-Audio Delta 1010LT. 8 Analog inputs two of which are balanced.

    Instead of the mixer pre-amps may be a better route. You will get more for your money that way. With the Behringer, you are just buying cheep. It you want a mixer, look for a used Mackie.

    Or get the pre-amps and interface all bundled in one like the Presounus FP10 or Tascam 1641.
     
  4. razed

    razed Guest

    Would an audio interface be better than a sound card? Something like this? http://www.zzounds.com/item--EMU0404

    No, dub is its own genre. You can do remixes of course, but most of it is original. Think King Tubby, Augustus Pablo, Scientist, Mad Professor, etc. It's almost always instrumental, with heavy use of echos and reverbs. I really can't explain it, as it is admittedly a strange genre.

    Basically, I'd record tracks one at a time, and hopefully get fairly proficient with some beat software, since I don't play drums. I'd then run each track simultaneously through the mixer and adjust volumes, mute tracks, and add echo/reverb in real time (hopefully this is possible... not sure if it is). I'll change any component of this setup to make this possible, if need be.

    So yes, this mixer isn't technically needed, as I know I can do it with software. But in dub, the producing/mixing is more important than the recording. Dub artists seemingly play mixers like instruments, and are generally credited with ownership of the song, because the mixing is where most of the creativity happens, as I understand it.

    Cheaper than a Line6 Guitar Port running into a 3 year old computer that lacks a sound card? I used to record acoustic guitar with an $8 1/4" mic that I won at a computer club raffle. :lol:

    Keep in mind, this is only a hobby, and I don't ever plan on making any money off of this. So this isn't an investment... I can't drop $10,000 to get this going. :shock:

    Thanks a lot for the input so far! :cool:
     
  5. Greener

    Greener Guest

    I gotcha, Mad Professor aye, I saw him once with Lee Scratch Perry. Interesting night ;)

    I'd go the route of a USB interface or firewire.

    What instruments do you wish to record? Is stereo enough?
     
  6. razed

    razed Guest

    So you'd do an interface over a sound card? That actually sounds more appealing to me, since it seems to be more portable.

    I have electric & acoustic guitars, bass, and a USB keyboard. I'll want to get a mic eventually to record and create some of those weird sounds you hear in dub. I suppose stereo is fine, although I'm not even sure what other options I'd have as far as that goes.

    So what if I went with this:

    • Computer:
      http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883108197

      Mixer:
      http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product?sku=631229X

      Audio Interface:
      http://www.zzounds.com/item--EMU0404

      Echo/Reverb Processor:
      http://www.guitarcenter.com/Lexicon-MX200-Dual-Reverb-Effects-Processor-103145934-i1125116.gc?CJAID=10449560&CJPID=1457553

    Would that allow me to do the real-time mixing that I want? Also, would those components be compatible (hook up together)? Sorry, I'm very new to recording hardware, so you have to get pretty basic with me. :roll:

    Thanks for the advice so far! :wink:
     
  7. Greener

    Greener Guest

    To do that real time mixing you need to create dub plates then use decks and then a mixer. One with effects. This is for the live performance.

    If your just doing it as a bedroom hobby why bother with the mixer?
    Just use the digital summing in your software to create mixdowns you like. Kind of like fabricated performances.

    Depends what you want to spend your time doing.
    If the idea of tweaking a few knobs getting playback to be sweet is what you want to do then the mixer will do that. If you want to make some music then don't use it.
     
  8. razed

    razed Guest

    Well, hmm... I don't want to get something I don't need, but I definitely like the idea of being able to do it in real-time instead of having to apply everything inside a recording software suite like Audition or something. It's very tedious and takes the fun out of it, to me anyway.

    Would something like this work instead of a separate mixer & interface:

    http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Tascam-FW1082-10-Channel-FireWire-Audio-MIDI-Interface?sku=706931

    Or maybe a USB controller instead of just the mixer; something like this:

    http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product?sku=241847X
     
  9. Space

    Space Well-Known Member

    Ditto with GM.

    I'm not qualified to recommend hardware, mostly because I don't pay attention to it. But I have M-Audio hardware and agree that it is worth a look, if it fits your plans.

    Greener may have misread the specs, sometimes he is correct, this doesn't seem to be one of those times as it relates to this product.


    While I am punching the lake, a good book to read "the cult of the amateur" is currently available for 14 bucks or so.
     
  10. Greener

    Greener Guest

    I'm never keen on sticking converters inside the box. Had bad things happen with electronic noise leaking into onboard cards. Which is why I tend toward outboard conversion.

    I'm not interested in telling anyone what to buy, just keen to know what the want is that needs to be filled.
     

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