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Cannot set up Finalizer

Discussion in 'Recording' started by John Jones, Feb 2, 2014.

  1. John Jones

    John Jones Active Member

    I have a Finalizer express but don't know how to integrate it into my pulsar soundcard project window.
    I just can't see where to make the connections in the Pulsar project window. All I know is that the Finalizer must be between the mixer outs and the analog outs. But if I do that in Pulsar using the spdifs of the Finalizer and making the connections in the project window, all I get is the untreated sound. To get the the Finalizer effect I have to send the finalizer outs direct to the external mixer. But if I do that then I can't record them in cubase.
     
  2. bouldersound

    bouldersound Real guitars are for old people. Well-Known Member

    What OS and what version of Cubase?
     
  3. bouldersound

    bouldersound Real guitars are for old people. Well-Known Member

    Are you the same John Jones as:

    ...?

    Because if you are then we would need that kind of info to help, if in fact help is what you're here for.
     
  4. John Jones

    John Jones Active Member


    Cubase 3'6.
    Anyone here using pulsar or other soundcard that uses an internal project window? How do you set up the Finalizer in the project window?
     
  5. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    What do you want to do ?
    Your pulsar project windows (which is there to setup DSPs) as nothing to do with external hardware units.
    If you want to use the TC Electronic Finalizer Express for live application, just place it after your Creamware Pulsar soundcard output and before the PA
    If you want it as a Out of the box processor, send the output of your soundcard to it and the output of the Finalizer Express to the input of your sound card. (of course, watch out for feedbacks)

    Unless those are not the units you are talking about in which case I apologize !! ;)
     
  6. John Jones

    John Jones Active Member

    The soundcard output is sending out the untreated signal to the Finalizer. I can't send the treated signal back to the soundcard to record, because the output of the soundcard is already taken up by the untreated signal.
    That was my problem. PlanetZ said that I can send the signal back in but route the signal in the project window to Cubase ASIO. Which looks possible.
     
  7. bouldersound

    bouldersound Real guitars are for old people. Well-Known Member

    Connect the output of the Finalizer to an input on the sound card, not to an output.
     
  8. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    OMG output to output brings nothing good !! ;)
     
  9. John Jones

    John Jones Active Member

    I can't send the treated signal back to the soundcard to record, because the output of the soundcard is already taken up by the untreated signal.
    And why would I want to connect the output of the Finalizer to an output on the sound card?


    I don't think this forum has a lot of expertise.
    People who are frustrated with it might want to try Planet Z. I got some decent responses there. Here I get bluster and posturing. Or Crap, to you.
     
  10. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    No expertise? What an asinine statement. This is a basic input output situation and if you gear doesn't have enough ins and outs to record both a wet signal along with a dry signal then you need a different soundcard. And maybe something newer than a 16yo operating system.

    Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk
     
  11. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    OMG do you have a learning disability or what? Jeezus - Tap Dancin' - Christ.

    The advice was to come OUT of your audio I/O to the INPUT of the Finalizer, at which point you would send that processed signal OUTPUT from the Finalizer to an INPUT of your audio I/O, and then bus that to a discreet track on Cubase.

    If your card doesn't have the ability to route the processed signal back to itself, then perhaps you need to upgrade to a more modern audio I/O device. Any decent, modern, audio I/O can route back to itself.

    The Pulsar you are using is 15 year old technology, RCA/Phono I/O connectors, in a breakout cable setup. If that card doesn't allow you to route signal back to itself from other OB devices while the outputs on the card are in use, then don't blame us. We didn't design the damn thing!

    The advice on this forum is from professionals. Perhaps you need to know the advantages - or in your case, the limitations - of your own gear before you start bashing those of us who are trying to help you. And, if you don't have the knowledge to discern the difference between an audio input and an output, then perhaps another hobby would be in order... maybe a dishwasher? No, wait. That won't work. You wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the input and the output of the dish washing machine.

    Get well soon!
     
  12. bouldersound

    bouldersound Real guitars are for old people. Well-Known Member

    For your amusement:

    http://homerecording.com/bbs/user-forums-brand/steinberg-cubase-user-forum/play-two-instruments-once-not-day-age-366381/
     
  13. djmukilteo

    djmukilteo Well-Known Member

    I think maybe we've been punked and got sucked in again with Mr Jones....LOL
    It is interesting to think that maybe there really are people out there in the world who are still trying to figure out their ancient hardware and technology and use it to make music, even though the world has moved on!
    The picture I have in my mind is someone in a dark basement with a small light huddled over a VGA monitor typing commands in DOS.....hehe..
    When I read the initial post, it all sounded pretty strange to begin with....
    Also good one bouldersound...that was an entertaining read...actually more so than this one....maybe John will return for more fun and discussion....seems we catch on quickly here huh!

    Dear John....You need at least a Win7 OS PC and Cubase 6.5 to be able to record multiple audio tracks now.
    Unfortunately none of the equipment you have that is over 15 years old will work now...time to move on!...hehe
    The chip you need will have to be retrieved from the future via time travel...
     
  14. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    This gem made me spit coffee on my dog. LOL


    You see, I am a poor man. My compositions are stellar, and I hope someday to be taken seriously by the folks at Commodore. Life would be so good if we could all just go back to cave dwelling, and perhaps then I could integrate this steel/flint sparking device into my peizo electric starter system on my furnace, which I had to have installed since the other heating unit I had came over on the Mayflower and wouldn't burn natural gas, only coal...

    Can anyone tell me how to turn on a light? Anyone? Hello? That's what I thought. It can't be done. See, that's the drawback with electricity.. there's always a switch somewhere that you have to flip or push or turn.
     
  15. djmukilteo

    djmukilteo Well-Known Member

    Actually I think it would be fun to find an old 486 computer with Win95 or Win3.11 and put my Cubasis VST floppies in it!
    That would actually be fun to see again on an old VGA monitor. Maybe even find an old Soundblaster card for it.
    I wonder if I still have an old HDD with some projects on it? Vintage recordings!!
    BTW...did John Jones ever respond back anywhere ever getting multiple instruments to play at the same time in Cubase?
    In a way he and his instructor were correct, it probably couldn't be done!....I remember how frustrating Cubasis VST and my system was trying to record multiple tracks at the same time.....LOL
     
  16. jimmys69

    jimmys69 Active Member

    I just spit water on my keyboard. LOL!

    I tried to help the guy over at HR, but it just seemed he just would not budge from his cotton gin.
     
  17. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    Me thinks we might have a troll.
     
  18. paulears

    paulears Well-Known Member

    Not altogether an always negative thing. I found this forum because of a link to here on another forum, and having a read around thought I'd join - so for me, I'm grateful - although I struggled joining with the test questions. Dangerous music EQ and Eclipse - the subject of the two questions I must admit I had no idea about, being UK based. I didn't find out who make Eclipse - Google failed me! Paul
     
  19. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    LOL... you're at the behest of our Lord High Executioner, Commander-In-Chief and Ober-Fuhrer on that one.

    To the new and unbaptized members, that would be audiokid (Chris). And he does like his toys. ;)

    Welcome to the forum.
     

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