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Choices - Bass signal chain

Discussion in 'Bass' started by ThirdBird, Oct 4, 2013.

  1. ThirdBird

    ThirdBird Active Member

    I am going to record bass. I have a Dean Active 4-String (alder wood with coated flatwounds) played out of a 12" Ampeg bass combo. I will also take a DI signal too. It is in a large 40x20x12 classroom (hard surfaces, with lots of crap in it). The style of music is some kind of indie/reggae/funk.

    Here are my input choices:

    SM57
    Beta52
    Cheap Nady Kick Mic
    NT1A condenser
    NT5 conderser
    Avantone Ribbon mic
    DI Box

    What mic choices and placements would you try first? ( I will also take the DI too.)

    I also have the PreSonus Eureka channel strip (pre-amp, com, eq). What mic should I put this on, or the DI?

    When I use the Eureka, how much compression would you track with, pre-DAW?




    Thanks for any help!
    - Mike
     
  2. DSPDiva

    DSPDiva Active Member

    For recording bass, I would skip the small diaphragm condensers since they're not gonna pick up the necessary low end off the amp. Go with the beta52 and if you want, try out the ribbon as well. I would put the 52 on the edge of one of the cones, but get it real close to the amp and then put the ribbon a few feet back. Once you get it into your DAW, you can mess with the phase so they match up. Also, make sure you plug your bass up to the DI, the DI should have a "thru" that you can send to the input of the amp and an "out" to plug into the line input of your interface.
     
  3. ThirdBird

    ThirdBird Active Member

    So if I have the 52 up close, the ribbon a few feet away, and the DI, what one would you use the preamp on?

    Any suggestions on how to eq/pan/compress the tracks? Individually, together?
     
  4. DSPDiva

    DSPDiva Active Member

    Sorry, I didn't do the research on the Eureka before I answered. You basically have 1 input, so you'd have to do a mic pass and a separate pass to record the DI. That kind of sucks, but it's only 1 channel so you're really limited on being able to record more than one thing at a time.
     
  5. ThirdBird

    ThirdBird Active Member

    I have 32 inputs, but only one Eureka. So I can only use 1 channel supercool-like.
     
  6. DSPDiva

    DSPDiva Active Member

    Ok so put the ribbon through the Eureka and put the beta and the di on the other inputs
     
  7. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    If you want to put multiple mics through the Eureka, use a re-amping technique. You can record the first mic on the amplifier through the Eureka on one channel while also recording the direct signal though a DI box and a standard microphone input (no EQ or other processing) on another channel. You then play back this direct channel through a re-amp box into the amp and record a second mic through the Eureka. Repeat as necessary.
     
  8. ThirdBird

    ThirdBird Active Member

    Why the ribbon?
     
  9. DSPDiva

    DSPDiva Active Member

    Why the ribbon? That's just what I would do. I don't think a Beta would need a fancy preamp. I think the ribbon would benefit more from it.
     
  10. CoyoteTrax

    CoyoteTrax Well-Known Member

    The ribbon will be a great room mic to blend in a little ambience and air with the 52 and DI captures.
     
  11. ThirdBird

    ThirdBird Active Member

    Do I have to worry about frequency overlap if I use the 52 on kick drum too?
     
  12. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Well-Known Member

    you can use the mic on both, the drum tuning, overall bass tone, and song key are the areas where you focus on making them work together and not mask each other. Make sure you check the phase of all the bass tracks. you might have to move the mics, or use the polarity reverse button on the eureaka, use a the trim pluggin in PT for polarity reverse, or just slide the tracks. otherwise it'll sound thinner, and less defined than it should. when you look at the waveforms in the DAW make sure there all going in the same direction (up and down) at the same/similar time. if ones going up and the other below is is going down at the same time, your signals are out out phase.
     
  13. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    While tracking don't use any eq/pan/compressor. (you won't be able to undo any mistakes)
    At the mix time, EQ depends on the signal, panning : bass go dead center... Compressor : only if there's a dynamic problem (momentery peaks or too low notes)
     
  14. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    For most people, the room contributes to frequency overlap problems than a decent mic like a 52. Yeah a 52 will have a broad bump at its favorite frequencies. And yes you might have to put in some small cuts to make the bass and kick work together. But its not like a specific resonance or a particularly brittle range in a cheap mic. So, fine, be aware of frequency overlap, but don't worry too much.
     
  15. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    it's likely the ribbon will need more gain than the Pre Sonus can supply. you don't say what other types of "inputs" you have to use but the ribbon needs lots of gain.

    i also think you are over estimating the "goodulation" the "U-reeka" provides. in reality those things aren't really all that and a bag of chips too.

    do the ribbon, the 52 and take a di. check that the phase matches. the "U- reeka" might have a phase switch so it may be of some value. i'd put the "U-reeka" on the di in that case.
     
  16. Nutti

    Nutti Active Member

    You can also use sidechain compression on bass to get the kick to punch through if the bass is eating it up or carve with eq. I think limitation for this kind of recording is just knowledge. Ive had a real hard time with understanding what to do with the bass once its recorded to get it to sound right, but there are loads of info on the net and youtube with different techniques people use. Learn some of them and experiment, try to find some songs with bass you like and listen to the differences to what you have.

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  17. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Well-Known Member

    i've been splitting the di bass alot, slaming it thru an 1176, and then combining them to one track back into the DAW. hence the sidechain, or parallel compression. i like to get in sounding as finished as possible on the way into the recorder. just my style but i'd preffer to not have 4 bass tracks. it keeps cpu processing down which is a good thing for many reasons, and is a lot more manageble as far as session organization. unless the bass player is really good (most of them aren't) than your probably gonna end up using a decent amount of compression, to keep things even and punchy. if your unsure then just take it easy, but if it's sounding good and vibing w/ the track, and evryone likes it, why not just commit to it, just print a dry 'emergency track'. w/ most bass players play w/ compression already, and something like that is going to effect the sound while the person is tracking, their feel, tone, and how they play along w/ the kick and snare.
     
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