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Choral or vocal + stereo mics?

Discussion in 'Vocals' started by soapfloats, Apr 22, 2009.

  1. soapfloats

    soapfloats Well-Known Member

    I run a project studio in an old, large church.
    While I don't typically do acoustic work, the space does lend itself to such a thing, and the owner approached me today w/ a few ideas.

    He's interested in having a choral group perform/record. Also a more tribal vocal (chant) + hand drums + harmonium + flute group.

    I decided a stereo pair placed out in front of the stage (altar) vs. close micing would be most appropriate.
    I'm thinking 6-12 ft out, and 10-15 ft high (the stage is ~3ft high).

    My choices are: AKG C414 B-XLS, Cascade M39, Cascade Fathead, MXL 603s, and Nady RSM-5.
    I've listed a wide variety of quality of condensers and ribbons, & have a pretty good idea what I would use, but I'd like to get your opinions first.
    I'd probably also use one of the SDC pairs further back to see what I can get.

    The space is 30ftx40ftx15-30ft, vaulted ceilings. Primarily wood (floor, stage, walls) and sheetrock (walls, ceiling) - not drywall, the heavy rock stuff).
    Actually, I'm not sure what it is, but it certainly doesn't take to nails the way drywall does - it chips. More like cement than anything I've encountered.

    Thanks in advance for any advice.
     
  2. jg49

    jg49 Well-Known Member

    Soapfloats "Primarily wood (floor, stage, walls) and sheetrock (walls, ceiling) - not drywall, the heavy rock stuff).
    Actually, I'm not sure what it is, but it certainly doesn't take to nails the way drywall does - it chips. More like cement than anything I've encountered. "

    Sounds like old fashioned plaster walls, which is not drywall at all, it is actually troweled on wet and hardens. It usually cracks when pounding in nails.
     
  3. soapfloats

    soapfloats Well-Known Member

    The place was built in 1897.
    Could be what it is. It's hard as hell though. Like rock.
    I'll ask the owner if he know what it is today.
     
  4. IIRs

    IIRs Well-Known Member

    I like to use my Beyer ribbons for choirs: M160 + M130 in MS.

    Sounds like this, which I recorded in january in a very reverberant community hall; I actually had another pair of omni SDCs at the back of the room (almost touching the wall) which were mixed in very subtly, but the Beyers sounded great all on their own, and we went with just those for other songs.
     
  5. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    Nice warm sound. It's a pity that the Opor crew can't hold their pitch.
     
  6. IIRs

    IIRs Well-Known Member

    Ouch!

    They're all amateurs. I thought they did pretty well...
     
  7. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    One combination of the mics above that I have used successfully (IMHO) in fairly similar situations is the Cascade Fat Head pair in Blumlein as the center pair with the C414s in omni as outriggers.
     
  8. soapfloats

    soapfloats Well-Known Member

    Thanks Bob. That's the direction I was heading in my own head.
    I had pretty much decided on the 414 or Fathead IIs as the main ST rig, but wanted to get some input first.
    Hadn't considered the blumlein. Now that I've realized my Fathead II pair = blumlein (duh), I'll probably try that more in general.
     
  9. Didier

    Didier Active Member

    I recommend the Nevaton MC48, a XY stereo microphone, as an alternative to a pair of AKG C414BXLS. I have got both and like the Nevaton better for recording my piano:
    C414B-XLS

    MC48

    Another shootout including also other microphones : http://www.esnips.com/web/Microphonesshootout.
     

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