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audio Comment on my little project please !

Discussion in 'Fix This MIX!' started by pcrecord, Jan 6, 2015.

  1. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    Hi everyone,

    I'm a bit too deep in this recording, mixing and mastering project, if you please can confirm if I'm overdoing things. + I was well overdue to present some of my work here after commenting so often on others work. (easier to comment others than ourself I guess) ;)

    View: https://soundcloud.com/pcrecord/morning-bright

    View: https://soundcloud.com/pcrecord/newday

    2 songs (for now)
  2. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    I don'tthink yu are "overdoing" anything, Marco.

    Here's what I'm hearing... take it with a grain of salt.

    The first thing I noticed was a fairly "boomy" bottom end. FWIW, I have quite a bit of bass trapping and BB absorption in my room.

    There seems to be an "attack" missing on the rhythm-crunch guitars, as if the initial strikes - the very tops of the notes - are being attenuated some how... over-gating maybe?

    I like the natural presence of the track on the whole. It's not crowded with effect. It feels as if the band is cohesively playing in the same space.

    I won't comment on pocket an groove, I'm assuming you only want engineering critique...
  3. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the comments I'll be looking into the bass.
    Did you listen to the second song ?
  4. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Its good to see more people stepping up to the plate, right on Marco! Respect to those who post their work!

    Listening to the first mix, I think you picked a good time to take a breath and ask for opinions!
    Everything sounds pretty balanced but you can improve this with not much more work. ( maybe less compression too?)
    A few dominant things stand out to me .

    The first track seems a bit dry for my tastes and the vocals are a slightly pitchy. I would attack those area's first, then bring it back here and I would be able to offer more idea's inside the mix should it even need much more after that!

    I hope that helps and thanks again for sharing !
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  5. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    I guess a playlist is not the best thing, I updated the post
  6. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    I listened to the second one too, however the first one is all we need as they both share a common footprint that might kill two birds with one stone.
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  7. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    I tried to tune the vocal, added a bit of reverb (I like it fairly dry) and use a more transparent comp in Ozone.
    I reposted new versions on soundcloud but I have a little doubt about that site. I uploaded from 16bit44khz files and the site did some kind of processing on them. I didn't have time to compare the site and my file but at first playback the site seemed to have less HF. It might be a placebo effect ;)

    Anyway here they are. I hope you'll hear a bit of difference.

    View: https://soundcloud.com/pcrecord/morning-bright-master-2

    View: https://soundcloud.com/pcrecord/newday-master-2
  8. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Since I adapted mixing into a capture and do all my finishing there, my exported files sound exactly as I expect online. I am never surprised or disappointed with Soundcloud or any export or CD for that matter. Never.

    I'll be in my studio later today, I'm looking forward to hearing what you did! :)
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  9. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    When playing in ozone (24bit96khz) or listening to the exported file (16bit44khz) I can't quite hear the difference.
    I will compare with Soundcloud again, at match volumes. I just fear they use some compression. But that's all right. ;)
  10. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    Thank you for your time !(y)
  11. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    I dunno guys... I've encountered problems wit SC here as well. Sometimes it will accept 320kb files, other times not, sometimes I'll get error codes that say "unable to process upload at this time", other times, 320 or 250's upload and play back without any problems. And sometimes, a file will upload fine but it sounds different after - things like it being compressed, or phasey, and I don't think it has anything to do with the capture method, because I'll try again and it will sound just fine, and with the exception of a wee bit of quality loss that's to be expected from an MP, sonically it sounds the same as the original file I've uploaded.

    So, for me, the main frustration is that it's an intermittent thing, and not one thing I can track down, put my finger on, and correct; because one attempt will sound degraded somehow, where as another attempt of the exact same file will sound just fine, using the exact same settings in each case.

    My guess is that it might be a local service provider thing; or a limitation of the local network...?
    I don't have any explanation other than that, but I've definitely encountered issues from time to time on the SC playback sounding quite a bit different than the original file I uploaded.

    Morning Bright sounds much better, Marco. Can you tell us what you did on the second mix?

    Brand New Day sounds good... nice, natural vibe and space, very organic. I have nothing to add.

  12. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    (Aside from individual uploading speed, your ISP)

    I've heard people complained about corruption before and I'm not surprised.

    However, fwiw and IMHO, I've not once experienced surprises caused from SC itself. I admit I have thought that but through self examination I discovered it was because of something I did to effect it somewhere.

    I do hear a difference from my waves but the difference is very close as expected (an even degradation).
    I have even done comparisons to my MP3 vs SC compression and each is close enough that I am alway confident a client is hearing what I trust to be close enough.

    Perhaps that might have something to do with my summing, finishing and exporting process. I dunno . But I will say, this is why I choose to have my monitor output on the DAC of the export process. There is never one surprize.
  13. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    On both songs :
    • I changed tuning method form celemony to waves tune mono. I'm sure I could have good results with celemony but I need to put time for Learning it better.
    • I added a bit more reverb (+5 db) and gave it a longer predelay 25-30ms
    • I lowered both bass LF (below 50hz) -3db and another -3db around 80-100hz to let the bass drum go through a bit more.
    • I also remade the pseudo master with Ozone from scratch, used a bit slower compression and used the guide with EQ matching a bit deeper than before which lowered a bit more of the low end.
    On Morning bright, I also pushed up the guitar around +4db

    Did you felt the tuning of the vocal was still an issue ?
  14. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    The worst thing I did recently is bring my mixes to my car using a mp3 player. For a reason unknown, even if I deactivate any effects or EQ the frequency response changes depending on the volume adjustment of the player.. I went back and forth many times before realising the player was the problem.
    I now burn CDs and get a better picture !! lol
  15. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    When I first got into MP3 via my iphone, to my surprise I discovered my audio streams are being cached by file name.

    Maybe something of interest.

    I have a Soundcloud Pro account. "Pro" allows me to overwrite SC files, something I need to increase my workflow.
    But, my iphone doesn't know the audio was overwritten to the lastest file.

    In a very detailed mix, sharing this with another client through his iphone, I kept making subtle changes in my studio, going out to my truck where I wanted to compare SC. I mean, he was listening to a mix this way so I choose to do the same.

    For hours I struggled with confusion. I had no idea why things weren't translating. I blamed SC and everything else I could until I looked into my iphone "General Settings" to realize it was caching everything I do.
    Not only does that suck for me, but if someone else is using an iphone to listen to changes I've made, they won't hear it updated either. Even if we hit "refresh" via the screen refresh. I have to go to the iphone General Settings > scoll down to Soundcloud App each time I make a change on soundcloud.

    Generally speaking,
    The idea that anything is being cached in a world of detail sound engineering is nothing short of terrifying me. I often wonder how much of what we are doing is being cached or tricking us into thinking its faster than it really is.
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  16. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    The mixes sound better glued.

    A personal suggestion, I always have a 1/4 BPM mono delay (full wet), 5 repeats or so on an Aux channel.

    I would add a tiny amount of delay on the vox and guitars for a rhythmic augmentation. If you hear it, its most likely too much so I'm not saying you want this to sound like its electronic music.
    I would do this for those track because the timing is a bit loose. A subtle delay will help glue timing corrections in a musical way. (You can even put a bit of reverb on the delays). Verb can add stereo sides in a more 3D but its only suggestion for that.
    I always check effects in Mono to be sure they are doing what the mono track is supposed to be doing anyway.

    Note: I wouldn't load a dedicated delay or reverb plug-in on the individual Vox or guitar channels. I always create AUX for my spacial effects and try to keep them 100% Wet so they add little sonics or phasing to the tracks. You should be able to mute your Aux channel and not hear any sonic change in volume other than delay or reverbs itself. Does that make sense. Maybe you do this already but I though I would mention that anyway.
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  17. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    To add a bit more Marco. I think because these songs are sung in English, a French accent may not be executing the English phrasing quite right. Therefore I think delay on the vox will help the phasing flow better. Does that make better sense?

    think of that as adding a bit of sugar or spice rather than salt or MSG. ;)
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  18. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    Chris, you are quite right that the english thong in a french mouth could turn a bit square sometime ;)
    I already have a delay on Morning bright but I guess I burried it too deep. I'll play around with some more and see how it goes.

    BTW, That was me getting his feet caught in writing, recording and mixing everything. I'm in my zone with Drums and bass but playing guitar and singing was way over my head.. ;)... I guess I'm due for vocal training if I intend to do other songs..
  19. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Ah, there ya go. I'm not trying to get into the song itself but I did feel "delay or reverb" would improve the mix as a whole " with a because" . Glad you understand what I mean. :)

    Something else that might be helpful.... It does sound like the song was tracked in stages and not quite learned enough. I bet a few more takes and possibly done all in one pass, would flow better too!

    Here is where I am going on this comment now.
    I hear a difference in tonalities from verse "one" vs "two". I think I prefer the changes you made in vers "two" on the Vox. Did you do that on a different day? What did you change? Verse two Vox has more roots , anchored to the session. I think I like the sound of that take better.
    But my main question is, why is it different sounding?

  20. Makzimia

    Makzimia Active Member

    I've not had a chance to listen in the studio Marco, so I can't comment really.. however in relation to.. this..

    Do my drums and bass, I'll do your vocals and guitar :D
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