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condensers on guitar cabs...

Discussion in 'Guitars' started by youthfukkingcrust, Apr 6, 2005.

  1. how come whenever i try to use any condenser on a guitar cab it just doesnt sound as nice as a 57??? ive tried a few different mics(AT 4033's, SE 3300's, SE 5600's, Rode NT 1's and NT3's) and they just sound middley with not much brightness and balls...
    i've tried changing where the mic is, close, 1ft back, 3 ft back, 6ft back and every variation in between, doffent blends with other mics but still nothing spectactular... i'm still more happy with a 57 and beta 58 comination... am i doing something drastically wrong??? hwo can i make this better??? i must be missing something...

    thanx chaps...

  2. THeBLueROom

    THeBLueROom Guest

    first thing would be to tell us what type of amp/cab and what sound you are going for.
  3. all sorts of amps, mainly old valve heads... marshall, carlsbro, wem, vox etc... 4x12's with celestions usually... i'm mainly after a thick low gain sound (carlsbro and wem), so its just breaking up, all the way to balls out of the bath high gain monsters... the marshall handles that pretty well, i also usually use an eq pedal just to push the preamp a little harder for high gain... any ideas???

  4. rudedogg

    rudedogg Guest

    most people that record guitar either use a 57 or a combination of mics and compressors/eq. it is all about the chain, not the components. try using a nice preamp, eq and compressor, and im sure you will have different results. also, try combining the 57 with your condensor. also make sure that the phase is aligned.

  5. Lerxst

    Lerxst Guest

    For me... most condensers do not sound good when mic'ing a guitar cab/combo however, there is one that I use more often than dynamic mic's

    First let me congradulate you on not (soley) running direct. I think running completely direct sounds like "poopage"

    When I did a tour playng electric guitar, there was this guy that insisted on using these funny looking mic's for my 4x12 cabs. I imediatley recognized them as condensers. After the show, the band, many fans, and even my wife commented on how good the sound of my guitar was - so I asked the sound guy about the mic's and chain he used.

    To my suprise these were "Superlux" mic's (if you want the exact version I'll look it up). Afer that I picked up two of them and performed many shows with them.

    I have used them in the studio for many things, but I think they sound best on electric guitar (yes even in the studio). They are inexpensive, and cheap. I have one that has failed, but for the price I may buy another.

  6. haha!!! its funny you should mention that... i have the superlux cheap drum set and the dynamics in there (suposed to be like 57's but not as long) have an even nicer sound than a 57!!! a little more round and full... not quite as shrill... if you could find out what the ones you were using that would be awesome!!! maybe weve come across a new industry secret!!!

  7. RandomGuest

    RandomGuest Guest

    Feb 10, 2001
    Do you mind if I ask...Are you using a higher end (good to great) mic pre-amp?
    Just wondering. I like, and have had some favoriable opinions about my recorded sounds with my condensor mic on the guitar amp. However I do use API, Avalon, and Great River pre's. And I also mix the sound with a SM57 or an Audix 07.
    Just a thought... :?
  8. inLoco

    inLoco Active Member

    Jul 25, 2004
    i sometimes use my c414 tlII about 1meter from my hot rod deluxe amp with a sm57 centered! for some more room and natural reverb and presence is cool! but now i'm more into keeping it simple! just 57 and if i really need it and have time and so on i'll use!
  9. Lerxst

    Lerxst Guest

    Here ya go: Superlux CM-H8A
  10. Markd102

    Markd102 Well-Known Member

    Apr 24, 2001
    Funny you should say that. Mark Opitz is a recording legend here in Australia. He's worked with bands like INXS, AC/DC, Cold Chisel and The Divinyls. In a recent "Audio Technologies" mag he talks about his technique for micing guitar cabs.
    Basically he puts a 57 and a C-414 in an X/Y configuration (90 degrees) right in front of the speaker. From straight on you should be able to see the cone through the small gap between the heads of the mics.
    Then you can move the mics closer to the speaker, or further away to get more or less room sound.... as long as the mics remain in X/Y and stay directly in front of the speaker cone.
  11. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2001
    SM57 and a 414 where the first two Mics I ever purchased.

    but then I'm Australian too.

    I do allow myself to get out toward the edge of the speaker cone ... and the mics still remain close to gether.
  12. wwittman

    wwittman Active Member

    Apr 28, 2003
    Interesting... the sm-57 and the C-414 are two mics I never use on ANYTHING {g}

    I almost always use either a U87 or a Gefell UM-70 on guitar amps.
    Both sound , to ME, much bigger, fuller, louder, and just better than anything else.
  13. inLoco

    inLoco Active Member

    Jul 25, 2004
    not everyone can afford them... :D
  14. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    Dec 10, 2001
    Pacific NW
    ADK A51 series III or IV...Cheap.and they sound great on guitar cabs.Failure rate is not all that great but ADK wants happy customers so replacement or repair has not been a problem.Watch the Nashville Network for the live shows.The black condensers used on the guitar cabs are mostly ADK's and some AT's too.
  15. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2001
    U87 is still on my purchase list ... as it was all the way back then.

    I think the Gefell company may have been somewhat hidden back then.
  16. wwittman

    wwittman Active Member

    Apr 28, 2003
    These days I wouldn't buy an 87...

    Gefell MT71's are selling for what? $800?
    not that much for how good they are.

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