Could I try a snippet of someone's MS multitrack?

Discussion in 'Location Recording' started by GentleG, Dec 1, 2005.

  1. GentleG

    GentleG Guest

    Hi all

    I'm slowly developping my beginner skills: mostly on accoustical stuff (jazz, choral, folk).
    I'm learning the difference between xy, ortf and ab and have tried them all.
    So far I'm beginning to get a bit of a feel for these stereo recording techniques. Generally speaking I prefer ortf and ab, not xy.

    Now I'm wondering what MS can do for me. I know about the theoretical stuff but don't have any hands on experience as I don't have a figure8

    I was wondering if anyone could put up some files so I can try out the ms mixing / listening myself (I'm using cubase sx, so I'm ok on that)
    I'm especially interested in how much margin there is in focus / width

    Up to now I can only assume MS is most comparatable to xy (soundwise)

    Any other comments related to the sound of MS (vs the other stereo techniques) is highly appreciated

    Cheers
     
  2. Calgary

    Calgary Active Member

    Wow, that's very cool. I'd never even read about M&S before seeing this post:
    http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chris.burmajster/Mid.htm

    Definitely going to record some samples and try it out on some sax. :cool:
     
  3. Zilla

    Zilla Active Member

    I suspect what you are attracted to with ORTF/AB is the inter-aural time delay resulting from the non-coincident placement of the capsules. This delay imparts a sense of spaciousness. XY does not have this delay and therefore lacks spaciousness. However, XY has better monaural compatibility and better localization.

    Like the XY config, MS is also a coincident stereo mic technique. In fact, the point of MS is basically to synthesize the XY configuration, but allow pattern adjustment, electronically, during or after the recording. The trade-off for this flexibility is the added processing of a MS matrix encoder. I always find any additional processing in my signal path to be unwelcome.
     
  4. David French

    David French Well-Known Member

    Check your email.
     
  5. Calgary

    Calgary Active Member

    I have a pair of AT4033As, are they appropriate for use in these configurations?
     
  6. Zilla

    Zilla Active Member

    Unmatrixed, that is the classic Blumlien stereo config.

    It can also be used in an MS matrix to create a "steerable" Blumlien pattern. I don't really see the point.
     
  7. GentleG

    GentleG Guest

    Thanks all,
    Especially David

    First impressions while listening: huge flexibility

    I just reread about ms and xy in The Microphone Book by John Eargle (great book btw)
    It's time I try encoding / decoding xy to ms to get another look / hear on the subject
    And I guess I should try different angles on xy recording

    Generally speaking I prefer ortf / ab on wider sources (choir)
    and xy on smaller (upright piano, drums, mallets)

    Cheers all
     
  8. GentleG

    GentleG Guest

    Thanks all,
    Especially David

    First impressions while listening: huge flexibility

    I just reread about ms and xy in The Microphone Book by John Eargle (great book btw)
    It's time I try encoding / decoding xy to ms to get another look / hear on the subject
    And I guess I should try different angles on xy recording

    Generally speaking I prefer ortf / ab on wider sources (choir)
    and xy on smaller (upright piano, drums, mallets)

    Cheers all
     

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