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cymbal sound is muddy on Zoom H4n

Discussion in 'Recording' started by Gotdrums, Dec 7, 2013.

  1. Gotdrums

    Gotdrums Active Member

    I am having trouble getting correct cymbal sound when using external mics with my H4n. The drums sound fine but the cymbal sound is muddy no matter what mic I use. HELP! I sure would appreciate an and all ideas. Thanks.
     
  2. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    It could be lots of things, for example, the room. Tell us what mics you have tried and where you positioned them.

    You could also be overloading the H4N with the signals from the drumset. Do any of your mics have a pad switch on the mic itself?

    Do you get the same muddy cymbal sound when you use the built-in H4N mics?
     
  3. Gotdrums

    Gotdrums Active Member

    Thanks for the reply, Boswell. I tried all the settings I could find on the H4n as well as using 3 different mics and I got the muddy sound no matter what I used. During band practice yesterday I got the muddy sound with the built-in mics as well and I did not use any external mics. All the sounds are muddy: vocals and instruments. Everything. Bummer. Must be something wrong with the H4n but I am not sure. Any suggestions? Thanks.
     
  4. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    Difficult to know without hearing the problem. Can you post on Soundcloud a section of track that you think shows up the muddiness?

    Assuming this is not wrong gain setting, the usual causes of mud are room and positioning rather than equipment. A track section should reveal all.
     
  5. Gotdrums

    Gotdrums Active Member

    I had the record level very low and there was no clipping nor topping out. Here is the Soundcord location: . Thanks.
     
  6. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    I agree that's pretty bad. Was it recorded using the built-in mics? Are you sure you didn't have any of the H4N internal effects engaged?
     
  7. Gotdrums

    Gotdrums Active Member

    Yes, using the built-in mics. I will double check, but I don't recall using any effects, ever. What's bothersome is that I have been using the H4n for several years as a room mic (and as recently as last August) and have had no problems. If I had the record level too high I got static on all the sound, but never did I get this muddy warble sound. Thanks for your continued replies and suggestions.
     
  8. Gotdrums

    Gotdrums Active Member

    I resent the zoom to factory settings and now it seems to be working fine with built-in as well as external mics. Not sure what I changed, but something was messed up. Thanks for your help. -John
     
  9. Gotdrums

    Gotdrums Active Member

    resent = reset. :)
     
  10. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    Glad it's back to normal again.
     

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