Deftones Change(In the House of Flies) @-1.5

Discussion in 'Mastering' started by Reggie, Sep 17, 2005.

  1. Reggie

    Reggie Well-Known Member

    I was just fooling around with some audio files and came across something weird. On Deftones White Pony, pretty much every song stays peaking at 0.0; but for some reason, Change(In the House of Flies) peaks at about -1.5 for the entire song except a couple stray hits at the end. This was their single on the radio too. Not really a BFD, volumewise compared to the other songs; but strange nonetheless. Any idea why they would do this, unless it was a mistake?
     
  2. Massive Mastering

    Massive Mastering Well-Known Member

    I've seen a lot of that lately and attribute *most* of it to laziness - That is, if the while file is basically "chopped" at -15dBfs...

    I wish a lot of the other tunes peaked somewhere like that also...
     
  3. Reggie

    Reggie Well-Known Member

    Yeah but the thing is, the dynamics are still pretty smashed. The smashed peaks are just hitting a lower ceiling (-1.5). I think it must've been a goof. Anywho....
     
  4. Michael Fossenkemper

    Michael Fossenkemper Distinguished past mastering moderator Well-Known Member

    This happens a lot. That song was probably mastered before the album. When the rest of the album came in and got mastered, oops, the first song is a bit louder than the rest. Let me bring it down a hair.
     
  5. TrilliumSound

    TrilliumSound Active Member

    Agree. I have seen that many times and on some compilation albums.
     
  6. Reggie

    Reggie Well-Known Member

    Cool. That makes cents I suppose.
    8)


    Maybe the mastering guy let those two hits at the end hit 0.0 so that it couldn't be normalized by someones goofy music player in their computer later.
     
  7. Michael Fossenkemper

    Michael Fossenkemper Distinguished past mastering moderator Well-Known Member

    Or it could have been edited on.

    "hey, we love the sound of the single you mastered but the last two hits seemed to get a little squashed. Do you think you can take the single master and just edit the last two hits on not as squashed".
     
  8. Reggie

    Reggie Well-Known Member

    Well, possible......but you should check it out for yourself if you can find a copy.

    I took another look and it is actually just the last hit. I don't think a person could tell the difference either way. I know I couldn't when I limited it like the rest of it. But dang that is one squashed song. When you bump up the peaks to hit 0, the loud parts are averaging around -7 to -8.

    Haha, I tried turning up the limiter more and more on a whim, and it doesn't really get any louder after you hit +1.5db, which is where gain reduction starts. Apparently it can be squashed no further (at least on the loud parts)! :lol:
     

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