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Dual Booting DAW

Discussion in 'Recording' started by audiokid, Feb 17, 2015.

  1. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    This thread was inspired from an existing topic, moved here so we can help others needing better performance using a dual boot system.

    Check it out.

    http://www.howtogeek.com/187789/dual-booting-explained-how-you-can-have-multiple-operating-systems-on-your-computer/




    fwiw, I am online all the time with the same CP I do a mass amount of my audio on. I have the basic Firewall on when surfing and remove it when I need to which is rare. I make sure I "Allow" Magix and any other devices or software that I use for audio through the firewall and its been good. I hate third party firewalls, they are the beginning to the end. Adobe is always trying to scam us to include McAfee on updates, that really annoys me. I'm super careful I don't install or activate calling back for updates as well.

    On that note, I created a second OS on the same CP just for audio and I cannot believe how well its working with Magix. This way I can still use the same computer , thus download updates by switching to the internet OS.

    I'm thinking I'm going to get a SSD for my OS now which will make rebooting back and forth like this pretty slick. Or, maybe just get a second computer with a kvm just for the web and do the Home Sharing files.
     
  2. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    Chris - I'm intrigued.

    Can you explain how difficult - or easy - this is to do?

    (I'm using W 8.1)

    Was this something you heard about from someone else, or something you researched on your own and decided to try?
     
  3. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    On my own but it could be something I heard about that I didn't tune into until now.

    Long story but as you know, I'm going a lot more itb and part of this is getting my pc performance better. I just tried it last week and its awesome. I partitioned a second drive and reinstalled the OS and Magix/ related audio just for that.
    When you do a reboot, the CP asked which OS you want to boot. Its super slick!
     
  4. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    Dual boot became popular with Windows XP. Their was a few Tools to do that before XP but now, the OS itself supports it.
    If you use 2 hard drives (1 for each OS), you could also use the motherboard's boot fonctions. Most MB have a key that makes the boot options popup (ex : F12) So you can choose on which HDD you boot on.
     
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  5. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    I just pressed F12, it loaded a window below my browser but nothing for a reboot. When do you select that for rebooting, Marco?

    Not that this is even an issue, it always asks which drive I want when it boots up first. Its pretty straight forward.
    So far this seems to be something I'd highly recommend. I'm loving this.
     
  6. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    It's not a reboot.. when the computer is closed. You push the power button and immediatly start to push F12 or another key depending on the motherboard (some use F9), you sometime need to activate this in the bios if it wasn't activated by default.

    A more detailed explanation :
    When a computer is starting up, a user can access the boot menu by pressing one of several keyboard keys, including Esc, F10 or F12, depending on the manufacturer of the computer or motherboard. The specific key to press is usually specified on the computer's startup screen. The boot menu allows a user to select what device to load an operating system or application from as the computer is booting.
    The boot menu can contain a number of different device options to boot to, including CD or DVD drives, hard drives, USB flash drives and a LAN (network). This allows a user to load up other operating systems or applications, even if the computer itself already has an operating system on it. This is also useful when trying to install a new operating system on a computer, and the user needs to load the installation application from a CD or DVD.
     

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  7. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    This works only if you have installed your 2 OS on seperate HDD and want to choose which one to boot on, and bypass the default boot order of the motherboard ;)
     
  8. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    I have the second OS on a separate HD?
     
  9. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    Is that a question ? ;)

    The advantage of this is that you can install the 2 OS as single ones with even only one drive at the time in the system and then plug both drives and flip between them with the bios boot option. Give it a try and let me know !
     
  10. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    F12 is he key you press during the boot to take you to the bios? I thought it was F2 or "esc"...

    I don't know if this is appropriate - feel free to delete if it's not, but I just found this...

    "Computers that ship with Windows 8 may not use a traditional BIOS. Instead, newer machines used something called UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface), which replaces the BIOS. You can access the UEFI settings by going to Settings → PC Settings → General, then select Restart now under the Advanced start up option. When the computer restarts, the Advanced start up screen will appear. Click "Troubleshoot," then click the "UEFI Firmware Settings" option on the next screen to view and edit the UEFI settings."

    Source: http://pc.net/helpcenter/answers/key_to_enter_bios
     
  11. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Well-Known Member

    So is that kind of like having two system drives?
     
  12. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    I'm still not sure what Marco is suggesting but its intriguing. So I am doing more research on the Dual Boot.

    The way I have mine OS's setup is exactly like having two system drives. Its fantastic. When I reboot off my audio OS, my DAW is screaming in comparison to the way it was before. And it was no slouch before..

    My DAW uses 3 separate hard drives.
    1. 150 gig OS,
    2. 500 gig Audio
    3. 1000 gig Library partitioned 1 & 2
    Right now I have the Audio OS on one of the library partitions. But I plan on moving this OS over to the same C drive and possibly using a SSD.
    fwiw, everything stays the same, meaning. the only thing I had to do over for this was re install a clean install for my DAW software and the new OS.

    @pcrecord What are the pro's or cons to what I am doing in comparison to what you are suggesting, Marco? Or, why would we choose one way over the other? (y)
     
  13. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Setting Up a Dual-Boot System

    Setting up a dual-boot system is fairly easy. Here’s a quick overview of what to expect:
    http://www.howtogeek.com/187789/dual-booting-explained-how-you-can-have-multiple-operating-systems-on-your-computer/

    Its all new to me, lets talk more about it.
     
  14. Space

    Space Well-Known Member

    A dual boot use to be common in the earlier part of this Century...and easy. Now a days it is going to depend on the current Os you have that is considered primary in how it is implemented. As much as the option looks valid, for a professional, I would not even consider it. I will use my notebook or phone for one thing and the dedicated machine for the other.

    Btw....I do not do audio work anymore but still understand the issues that arise from multiplying a stable system into two.
     
  15. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    Exactly !

    If you have the need for it, using two drives is a very simple to setup : you install on one drive then remove the drive, install on the second one and plug both. then use the F key at startup to call the boot options of your MB and chose the drive. The first obvious advantage is that if one drive fails you have the other one to continue your work.

    Dual boot on the same drive, have a risk for both OS infection even if only one goes online, if the files are accessible. Exemple Criptolocker not only affect the local files but all files accessible by the file browser. (even network drives)
    It doesn't mather with SSD drives but mechanical drives are faster on the beginning of the drive so having 2 OS, send one further on the drive so it could be slower. (not a big deal but one thing to consider)

    Buying 2 small drives or 1 bigger one sometime lead to the same investment (specially with ssd that are more expensive as you go for bigger ones)

    One thing that we don't really know to this day is how DAW could work in virtual machines (vmware, hyper-v, virtualbox etc...) We don't know if it works well because nearly no one has take time to test it. I might investigate this one day ;)
    What's cool about virtual machines is that you can save snapshots which are single files including the entire OS and can be loaded instantly on another computer without any setting lost. You could have 5 VM on your system and start them as needed.

    What ever solution you choose, it pays to have redundancy with a spare drive ready to work.
     
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  16. pan60

    pan60 Active Member

    So over my head.
     
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