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Dynaudio BM5a vs. BM6a vs. Event ASP6 ????

Discussion in 'Recording' started by rasputin7095, Aug 3, 2005.

  1. rasputin7095

    rasputin7095 Guest

    I need new monitors for mixing, and I'm doing a lot of research and reading reviews. At first I thought of getting the Event ASP6, because I own some 20/20p right now, and I tend to be conservative in my choice of equipment. Then I heard about Dynaudio...

    Everyone says Dynaudio translates incredibly well. The 20/20s didn't translate well, and I thought that's because I suck at mixing, but apparently it's a common problem.

    My mind is set on the Dynaudio BM5a, because the BM6a cost too much. Will I be missing out if I choose the BM5a over the BM6a?

    I deal with electronic music, so I need clear, deep bass. Can the BM5a's do the job?

    I realize that the BM5a are not as loud as the BM6a, but it's ok, because they're for my home studio.

    How do the Event ASP6 compare to the BM5a?

    Please post opinions and reviews
  2. Digger

    Digger Guest

    I own a pair of BM6A's and they are outstanding monitors - HOWEVER - they are not noted for their exceptional bass response. The BM5A's have an even poorer bass response than the 6A's.

    If you want to go the Dynaudio route and you need a monitoring system that can accurately translate very low bass frequencies than you will need to buy a sub which Dynaudio makes.

    The other point to consider is that the 6A and the 5A are not very loud monitors.

    You may want to check out a pair of Genelec 1031A's which are louder and have a better low frequency response. It may suit your purposes a little better. I hope that helps, good luck!
  3. McCheese

    McCheese Well-Known Member

    Mar 24, 2005
    I'll second what Digger said. I have the BM5a's, and while they're aboslutely great monitors, they may not be very well suited for electronic music production. They have a bottom end to them, but it's not as pronounced as say, the ASP8's or the Mackie 824's, it definitely has a learning curve for the bass. I haven't heard the ASP6's, so I can't really comment on them, but I think you would be better off with something that has a 8" driver over a 6". The ASP8's would be awesome, and not a whole lot more than a pair of BM5a's.

    On the other hand, you could take the time to learn the BM5a's and do just fine. Adding a sub is always another option, but you really have to have it tuned to the room, or you're going to go nuts trying to figure out the bass.
  4. rasputin7095

    rasputin7095 Guest

    Thanks for responding. I'm trying to avoid using a sub, and I'm trying to choose monitors which are specifically small, so I can take them with me when traveling.

    I'd consider the Mackie HR624, but their bottom starts at 52 Hz!! Come to think of it, the Dynaudio is 50 Hz... Mackies are 100W though...

    Help! I'd choose the Event ASP6, but I'm not sure they'll translate well. :?

    Many years ago, I was using M-Audio SP-5B. They were kinda crappy, and the bass wasn't great. But apparently they went down to 33 Hz
  5. Reggie

    Reggie Distinguished Member

    Dec 20, 2004
    I have a little add-on question to stick in here. How about KRK V8's? I don't know if anyone here has used both, but between the BM5A and the V8 which do people like? I have been considering the Dynaudios or the KRKs for some new monitors. Possible the V6 + the KRK sub. Don't have a clue where I could try them out. Any thoughts?
  6. McCheese

    McCheese Well-Known Member

    Mar 24, 2005
    The Dynaudio's and KRK's are worlds apart. To me the KRK sound more like higher-end home stereo speakers. A little more hype to them.

    But really, if you just find something that sounds good to you, you can learn to mix on it. You're going to have to do some learning no matter what monitors you buy for what price.
  7. rasputin7095

    rasputin7095 Guest

    on Monday, I'm meeting with a guy from Sweetwater to listen to the 6" Mackies, and compare them to the Dynaudio 5a. Should be fun. I'll post the results.
  8. elektro80

    elektro80 Guest

    The ASP 6 compares well with the Dynaudio monitor, but these have slightly different personalities.

    If you are making popular electronic music then you won´t be really meddling with truly deep bass anyway, but it is a good idea to get monitors that goes deep and have the low end "cutoff" problem area pushed below 60hz. The ASP8s will do just fine.

    However, your listening room must be properly damped. If you are having problems with your 20/20s now, then you should look into the room first. If you are lacking bass, then the room is most certainly having serious problems.

    An alternative to buying bigger, "better " and more expensive speakers right now is simply to solve the room problems. You might even look into a pair of Yamaha MSP5s in addition to the 20/20s you already have.

    A link to a thread about bass: What is bass

    A link to a review of the ASP8

    The way you describe your needs sounds to me like you have room issues. Solve that before you buy any new monitors. The Event 20/20s are no matter what pretty decent monitors with a sonic behaviour that is typical for a lot of mid to high quality monitors. This means that if you get the room right for the 20/20s then the room will be OK for much more expensive monitors too.
  9. rasputin7095

    rasputin7095 Guest

    Thanks for the reply. I've actually never heard the room yet; it will be a new apartment. I don't want to keep the 20/20s, because they're too big for a small room, and they have even too much bass, which is likely to disturb the neighbors.

    About acoustically treating the room: I like when the room sounds like a normal room in which people live. Usually I minimalistically get rid of flutter echo by putting rugs or blankets on walls (so when I clap my hands, there's no echo). I will also use the switches on the back of the speakers to roll off the highs if the room is too bright.
  10. rasputin7095

    rasputin7095 Guest

    Tested speakers today for 2 hours in a studio.

    Dynaudio BM5a are a million times better than the 6 inch Mackies, and much better than the aluminum Genelecs of the same size.
  11. Reggie

    Reggie Distinguished Member

    Dec 20, 2004
    Cool . Did you try the BM6A's or any other speakers while you were there?
  12. jonnyc

    jonnyc Guest

    about your comments regardig the 8's being to loud and that the neighbors will hear them, they'll hear the sixes too you're just going to have to pick a time to do it when nobody will be pissed. also you really won't get into the small monitors until you get down to the 5" models and you probably won't like those. If you like the way 8's sound to you then pick a good pair and find a time you don't piss the neighbors off.
  13. rasputin7095

    rasputin7095 Guest

    I didn't get to hear the BM6a's. They're out of my price range anyway. The sound of the BM5a's just knocked my socks off! The other speakers sound like mixing speakers with different personalities, but the Dynaudios just sound.. magical.. They can get pretty damn loud too, and the bass is great. I don't know what people are talking about when they say there is not enough bass.. the Mackies had crappy bass; Dynaudios definitely have enough bass. This is one of those times when the reviews are right: they are pretty wonderful speakers.

    PS: I was very surprised and dissapointed with the small aluminum Genelecs. I expected them to sound good, but they turned out to be kinda crappy. :?
  14. McCheese

    McCheese Well-Known Member

    Mar 24, 2005
    I think a lot of people that complain about a lack of bass in the BM5a's are dealing with either a poorly tuned (or too large) room or are looking for more of a 'sub in the car' type of bass that's really friggin loud. I have mine in a small room, and while I'm not rattling windows with them, they're definitely giving me a picture of the low end.

    And don't feel bad about the Genelec's, they're almost as hotly debated as NS-10s. Personally I didn't like any Genelec I ever heard.
  15. I recently got the bm5a's from soundpure and I LOVE them! They are worlds better than the wharfedale diamond pro 8.2a's that everyone at homerecording.org raves about. Actually, it seems like all the recommendations I've gotten from that site have left me wanting more and I have sold or have wanted to sell......weird :lol: .

    Haven't tried any of the other monitors listed for comparison but I don't see how anyone could not like the dynaudio's. They show me exactly what was missing with my wharfedales that I was hearing on other playback systems. They translate very very well and are easy to listen to.
  16. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Mar 8, 2004
    Fredericksburg, VA

    Speakers "not loud enough", "poor bass response", "Too big for room"

    These are signs of the marketing hype working.

    A loudspeaker or monitor is designed to be linear. If it doesn't work for one type of music, it shouldn't be considered a quality loudspeaker.

    Bass should rolloff quite naturally. If there are lumps giving the impression of "more power" in the bass region, the monitor should be avoided at all costs. Bear in mind, the specifications quoted by manufacturers are in their controlled environment, meaning they can essentially get the speaker to perform the way they want it to or until they are satisfied. The proof is in the pudding. Listen to them in *your* environment (hopefully a suitably treated room) and see how they work.

    I have yet to hear of a mini-monitor that wasn't loud enough. With even modest power, an inefficient monitor placed at 1 meter or so should be borderline painful at its extremes. Considering most monitors are spec'ed at a minimum efficiency of 86 dB/1 watt continuous power at 1 meter, and that the optimum output of any system should be around RMS 85 dB with peaks extending up to 14 dB or so higher, I would tend to believe that any system could be powerful enough - even if using the most boutique 1 watt tube amp on the market.

    Now, being too big for a room - this is a possibility, but none of the speakers mentioned here are running the risk of this even in the smallest of rooms (with the possible exception of the Event ASP 8).

    I will personally weigh in favor of the Dynaudios. They are magnificent monitors, quite linear with a smoot and controlled roll off in the lower frequencies. With these monitors, what you hear is what you get. Even their "lower end" BM5As are frikkin awesome. They should be suitable for use in ANY environment with ANY music! :D

    In a word - the are "BAD-ASS!" :cool:

    I can only urge enough though to avoid the cliche's so often associated with monitors or loudspeakers and simply give them a listen. You'll find that many monitors are good, few are bad and few are truly excellent (kinda like a bell curve...)

    I hope this helps without me being too much of a dork.... 8)

  17. McCheese

    McCheese Well-Known Member

    Mar 24, 2005
    I understand what you're getting at, but I'm gonna have to disagree.

    "not loud enough"
    This could probably be better said as "not loud enough without distortion" or some other modifier. I'll agree that they all get plenty loud, but some monitors start distorting or changing their frequency response at higher volumes.

    "poor bass response"
    You're just not going to great bass out of a 4" driver. Rolloff and flatness aside, getting 35hz out of a 4" or even a 6" driver is questionable at best.

    "too big for the room"
    I think you already spelled this one out yourself, although I'll comment that the Dynaudio BM6's, although a physically small speaker, may be too powerful for a small room.

    Now I'm going to quit nitpicking and go listen to my BM5a's because they "produce an absolutely linear phase response with excellent sound dispersion and stereo imaging, while maintaining a small footprint"
  18. rasputin7095

    rasputin7095 Guest

    Thanks for everyone's responce! Now I'm completely sure that I will be making a great choice by investing in the Dynaudios. :)
  19. hey all, just ran across this post and thought i might as well chime in... i actually *just* ordered myself a pair of BM5a's after believing my current monitors to be a weak link in my chain.

    and briefcase:

    thats great to hear about how much better they are than the wharfies cuz thats what im upgrading from. i think the wharfies were alright, but... hopefully not in the same league as the dynaudios.
  20. Well, have you gave a listen to the Yamaha MSP% monitors...

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