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Electron Drums Recommendations?

Discussion in 'Drums' started by teej813, Sep 17, 2003.

  1. teej813

    teej813 Guest

    Our church is considering an upgrade to their drum set. We're currently using V-Drums; the Concert set, I believe.

    Anyway, as hard as I'm trying to convince them to buy acoustic, I don't think it's gonna happen.

    SOoooooooooooo... What's new in electronic drums? What brands should I research? What questions should I be asking?

    Any tips to get me started are appreciated! :)


    tj
     
  2. Dave Nyberg

    Dave Nyberg Guest

    I don't have much knowledge in this but in the music store i was listening to the DDRum from Clavia and it sounded awesome. The pads they had with them (also Clavia) were really responsive and had much life in them. You should look into them:

    Clavia Ddrum 4
     
  3. jscott

    jscott Guest

    Well, really not too much. If feel and dynamics is what you're after, then it doesn't get much better than the Roland Session Series. If you have the concert kit, then you're pretty close to the best out there in my opinion.
     
  4. Rod Gervais

    Rod Gervais Active Member

    As a drummer i have to agree with JS........ what you have is much more than adequate...... so i find myself curious...... why in the world do they feel the need to upgrade?

    By the way Mr Scott......... great information you've put together..... my hat is off to you.. :tu:

    Rod
     
  5. golli

    golli Active Member

    The electronic drumsets I've tryed, so far, (the newest yamaha model and Ddrum) are still far behind the acustic sound and feel. I imagine 10 years until they will be usable. But that is just my taste :roll:
     
  6. ctrl-z

    ctrl-z Guest

    If the church is bound and determined to blow some bread, how about something as extravagant as a laptop DAW outfitted with an RME interface? Trigger rEAlly good samples out of a VSTi like Battery (Native Instruments) and freak everybody out. "Holy $*^t those drums sound good" they might say...
     
  7. jscott

    jscott Guest

    Thanks for the nice comments Rod! They don't come all that often, but I really do appreciate them when they do.

    I keep saying to myself that one day I'll improve it, add samples and pictures, and...But....I never get there. But someday I will, so stay tuned..............off and on.
     
  8. teej813

    teej813 Guest

    DmDreams,
    Thanks! I'll look into it.


    JScott,
    Really? There hasn't been much improvement in the past.. oh.. 5 years? I'm guessing this kit to be that old.


    Rod,
    We just got a new music minister. He's got a good ear and wants better drums.

    Besides, this particular set has some problems; the snare channel in the control unit is shot, so i borrowed the low tom channel for snare.


    Golli,
    I agree. I've played drums since i was 10 (LONG time). I just can't make myself like these things. I dunno.

    But they have good reasons for wanting to stay electronic. Lots of blue-hairs in the congregation. :)


    Ctrl-Z,
    lol... well, i'm hoping no one would yell that out in church.. :)


    Thanks, guys. I'm wondering if the Concert series has changed much in the past 5 or so years. Wonder if a new controller would help.


    tj
     
  9. launchpad67a

    launchpad67a Guest

    Just a thought,
    I "Trigger" my acoustic DW set. I have Ddrum triggers on all the drums and run through an Alesis DM5 module. It is just like heaven, when it comes to live set-up. I almost feel like a guitarist...."show up, plug-in and play", a very nice feeling. Granted I submix my kit, with overheads for cymbals and I don't trigger the snare, just because you "don't" get that feel from that drum.

    I would never own a set of electronic pads, although I've played many and they are very cool!!
    I suggest going the trigger route, it takes some work getting them dialed in, but once you do, your still playing "your kit" and the real feel is still there.
    Not to mention Perfect Sounds........Everytime!!!


    Mike
     
  10. Rod Gervais

    Rod Gervais Active Member

    TJ,

    I have to believe that you could take this kit, have the snare repaired - clean it up - a whole lot cheaper than buying a new kit.

    Think about this for a second - ultimately the sound that comes out of these is programed.... it has almost nothing to do with the kit itself - and everything to do with the processor and Amp.

    Get the snare fixed and maybe you want to consider a new amplifier - to acheive the sound the pastor is looking for - or maybe just the processor - if there is a particular sound he wants produced that the one your using can't make happen.

    But replacing the entire kit doesn't make sense to me - especially since you already have a good quality set.

    Newer doesn't necessarily translate to better........ ask anyone who owns a Strad...... :D :D

    Happy Hunting

    Rod
     
  11. teej813

    teej813 Guest

    Launch,
    Hmmmm...i will give this some thought. The idea of playing acoustic, muting them completely, and triggering samples rather appeals to me. I like the ideal that I could dial in diff sets for each song.

    I remember playing a set in a session that was muted completely. Sounded (and felt) a bit strange, but the engineer really made them sound good on tape (yes, it was awhile ago).

    Hmmmmm....


    Rod,
    I plan to check into having the control module repaired/replaced. I'm being told that the kit is only a couple years old, so upgrading to another electronic kit is making less and less sense.

    I see there's a memory slot on the controller. Do you know if I can load new samples into this thing? The cymbals are especially disappointing.


    Thanks for your input, guys!


    tj
     
  12. Rod Gervais

    Rod Gervais Active Member

    Personally - the cymbals are where i would break from this "tradition"....... i have never heard cymbals reproduced that i liked - that is where i would go acoustic......

    What model of Drum module are you using?

    Rod
     
  13. teej813

    teej813 Guest

    We're using the TD-10. I gather that's one of their best. I'm trying to find warranty/service info, but the Roland site isn't being very helpful.

    tj
     
  14. Rod Gervais

    Rod Gervais Active Member

    Check this out - it's the expander for the module.......

    http://www.rolandus.com/products/details.asp?catid=5&subcatid=29&prodid=TDW-1

    As far as service goes.... contact some of their service centers in your area (they're listed at the site) and see if they can't get you pushed in the right direction.

    That module is about $1,450..... the expansion module retails for around $300...... it would be a shame not to get it fixed..

    Rod
     
  15. teej813

    teej813 Guest

    Excellent. Thanks, Rod. That module looks promising!


    tj
     
  16. Rod Gervais

    Rod Gervais Active Member

    Tj

    you're welcome buddy........

    Rod
     
  17. teej813

    teej813 Guest

    Ok, I had a chance to hear the V-Drums with the expansion card. MUCH improved! I'm recommending we spend the $300 and see how much it helps. If we still aren't satisfied with the cymbals, we'll go for the cymbal pad upgrades. Dang, they're expensive! About $250 each.

    Anyway, thanks for your help, Rod.

    tj
     
  18. Skeetch

    Skeetch Guest

    Jumping in late here, but looks like you've gotten good direction from the assembled wisdom.

    I've got the fully loaded V-Session kit with v-cymbals in my room and they sound pretty good. They're about as close as I've played on to acoustic heads. If you've gotta go edrums, the Rolands are pretty tough to beat for feel and sound. Granted, the samples could be better (can't they always tho?), but for live situations they're easy to setup and run through your board. They even record pretty nicely, but I'd still prefer an acoustic kit for tracking.

    Some day . . . ...
     
  19. teej813

    teej813 Guest

    I agree, Skeetch. But in a church setting, electronic drums just make sense. I can deal with the limitations. Besides, I never liked sitting behind plexiglass. Ugh.

    tj
     
  20. Rod Gervais

    Rod Gervais Active Member

    Teej,

    I'm happy things are working out - but you can play acoustic and not need to be behind plexi if the drummer knows how to deal with volume....... :D

    :c:

    Rod
     
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