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Esteban: Artist or Scam Artist?

Discussion in 'Studio Lounge' started by Tommy P., Aug 8, 2003.

  1. Tommy P.

    Tommy P. Well-Known Member

    With embarassingly mediocre chops, and sounding like someone who's been playing the instrument for about a year, guitarist Esteban is upon us.
    With 2 million albums sold worldwide, and reaching the top of the Billboard charts, there is no questioning his success.
    But that success and fame is based on his selling of a beginners guitar and instruction video on The Home Shopping Network.

    On the positive side, there are a lot of young and new aspiring musicians getting thier first guitars.

    On the negative side, he claims to have studied with Andres Segovia of Spain, and to carry Segovia's endorsement: this is highly disputed...

    So what does everyone think about the phenomenon that is ESTEBAN ?
     
  2. Treena Foster

    Treena Foster Active Member

    What a true joke this guy is! :p

    Treena :h:
     
  3. Tommy P.

    Tommy P. Well-Known Member

    I know Treena, it really irks me. Even still, he's a rich joke! :d:

    I didn't know a thing about him until my wife Jennifer called me from a friends house.
    "Turn on the Home Shopping Network. Is that a good guitar? Should I buy it? He's a good player..."
    No no and nooo. Oy! :s:
     
  4. Treena Foster

    Treena Foster Active Member

    I have to agree with Carol Kaye on this type of crap going on with entertainment buisness.

    :h: Treena
     
  5. Tommy P.

    Tommy P. Well-Known Member

    I agree with those sentiments. Not too ago my little girl and I could sit down and watch a comedy and stay up for Letterman. Now she's 12, and its akward for the both of us to cuddle up to the TV tube :( ... we rent DVD's nowadays...

    Although the only profanity at an Esteban show, might be me hurling tomatoes, it is bordering on a scam.

    Esteban is even playing in my town on October 12th! Inter-Media Art Center
    :roll: :confused:
    :p:
     
  6. realdynamix

    realdynamix Well-Known Member

    :) Tommy, I saw "the infomercial" for the first time the other day, first class production, and expensive. I did Gerard Garno's first 2 albums, if this guy existed, Gerard would have mentioned him. I think Esteban, with the mysterious glasses and hat, is a mediocre guitarist at best.

    That's show business folks, always has been like this. Of course selling millions of $120.00 guitar/lesson/video packages is what it's all about. eh?

    It certainly did catch our attention. We can't protect everyone. It's the "let the buyer beware" thing. As a matter of fact, our very discussion sells more interest. Not a scam, just good business, and marketing. Learn from it. Makes a great gift too! :D

    --Rick
     
  7. musicalhair

    musicalhair Guest

    I think he is maybe the funniest thing since Spinal Tap. Every cliche you can think of rolled up in one black on black package. He is as perfectly cliche as Andy Kaufmann's atler ego Tony Clifton.

    I get a kick out of it, and I don't see the harm. If his "teaching method" builds a little army of people "kum-By-Ya-ing" at home then that might be a good thing. If his method sucks then it sure won't be the first or last bad teaching method, and even then maybe some small percent of his little army may finish playing "Michael, row your boat a shore" (or my favorite version of the song: my goat knows the bowling score) and actually study with someone and learn.

    Besides the fact that he very well might be ripping off people, I'm not really phased by it. He is marketing his product and his schtick pretty well. Anyone with a well thought out and time tested method they are selling could take a note from this guy in terms of marketing. It reminds me in a perverse way of Robert Fripp's League of Crafty Guitarists. He toured with a bunch of his students, and he had a series of columns in Guitar Player. Definately he had a different audience and his method had different goals, but both took their idea and ran it into the face of their prespective customers and audience.

    Estaban's target's his customers well: he features "House of the Rising Sun" and other tunes from the sixties. He's after baby boomers, I don't think anyone buying his stuff thinks they'll be Stevie Ray Vaughn or Paco De Lucia. It is like the baby boomer's version of "Kum-By-Ya."

    What I "love" most about it is all the facial expressions and contortions when he plays. And at least half his leads are like things that belong on a solid body with the notes that should sustain. I mean if your sound is tied to a fast decay of the notes, like on an acoustic or or jazzier playing then your playing should reflect that reality. He is like playing the notes like he thinks he's in Kula Shaker or something.

    Unless your lactose intolerant, you've got to love the cheese.
     
  8. Roly

    Roly Guest

    What struck me about the TV ad was the camera angle when comparing the guitar he was selling to the "brand name guitar". No shots of the head. My cheese meter instantly pegged.(kinda like looking the mirror)
    Roly
    PS Don't have a clue how or why the tube was on that channel.?????????
     
  9. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    I have 2 things to say about him and the ad.. One is I love it when the announcer on this infomercial jams with Esteban .... weez rockin' now kids!! heee heeee heee! The second thing is, this remindes me very much of the "Roy Clark Big Note guitar book" and guitar commercial that ran about ten or fifteen years ago.. I'll bet it's the same guitar! :D I would like to see them play the Theme from "El Ka-bong!" ..... with Esteban being the one who gets Ka-bonged!
     
  10. RecorderMan

    RecorderMan Distinguished Member

    Ahh..."Quick-Draw McGraw" a fine cartoon for the sixties brats...
     
  11. Freeform

    Freeform Guest

    God I hate this guy. I've seen the infomercial like 7 times, no Joke. He thinks he's such a guitar god. *spits*
     
  12. realdynamix

    realdynamix Well-Known Member

    :) Yea, they seem to plug for xmas earlier every year. Their phones are ringing off the wall...ka-Ching. Isn't it great to be in a free enterprise system. Presidents should be so lucky to get such exposure, but that's a different kind of infomercial. :D

    --Rick
     
  13. Guitarman

    Guitarman Guest

    All I can say is that Roy CLark ws a friggin GREAT guitar player and stringed instrumentalist. I can remember watching him for years and always thought he had great talent and showmanship.

    Estaban is a living legend in his own mind.( much like the rest of us.) :D

    Best wishes,

    JD( o}===;;;
     
  14. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    JD,

    I heartily concur! I had the good fortune of seeing Roy Clark play live once. He had a killer band and displayed monster chops and showmanship... But that BIG NOTE Guitar Book was funny!! :D
     
  15. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    I got to see Roy Clark last November. He's not quite as speedy as he once was, but he can still hold his own. His showmanship is first rate. His band is, too. Really impressed with the multi-instrument skill that was happening.

    Anyway, yea, he's a great musician and entertainer. one of the ones who makes me glad there's music.
     
  16. MistaG

    MistaG Guest

    I think you all missed the real star of the Esteban infommercial.....


    How about that Mr. Rogers neighbor looking guy who is oohing and aahing him? Where did they dig this guy up from, a 1960s Pete Seeger wannabe contest?
     
  17. noteFarm

    noteFarm Member

    Hmmm seems like the last thing the world needs is more mediocrity.
    I think The people that buy into this think it's good because they are told it's good.
    I despise this nauseating man of little talent.
    If that is the yard stick by which music or "classical guitar playing" is to be jugged, wow, the rest of us have no problem.
    Does this mean at the next wedding I play on Saturday I must wear a silly hat and a "big" shirt to prove that I am areal guitar player.
    What do I do If one of my guitar students, brings me one of his CD's and says "this guys great". I would have to pick my self off the floor wipe the tears of laughter from my face.
    Can this man not be sued for impersonating a muscian, I mean his technique is terrable, his tone is bland and scatchy and inconsitent, his interpritaion and arangeing skills are that of a first year college student, at best .
    Well sorry for the rant,
    I hope it made a few of you laugh and any one that likes him I hope it upset, and enraged He is as welcome as a telliphone sales man at 9:pm
    The negative side to the home studio revolution
     
  18. Rod Gervais

    Rod Gervais Active Member

    I - yes me - Rod - am obviously one of the truly blessed among you.

    I never EVER watch infomercials - and thus have never been exposed to this ........ this..... person.............

    Truly the Gods have smiled upon me more than any of you........... and for this i am truly thankfull.

    Now - as far as Roy Clark goes...... yes that is true talent......... but as far as his book goes - that was funny........

    However i would point out that just because someone is a magnificent talent - this does not mean they can teach a lick.......

    David Garibaldi is probably one of the finest drummers alive...... and i bought one of his "teaching" tapes.......

    As a teaching tool it's a joke...... he doesn't break things down for you - comes off very badly in front of the camera - and no one short of an "A" or maybe a high "B" drummer could ever pick anything up from this.

    So talent for the instrument does not necessarily translate to the ability to teach - especially at a distance........

    The one thing i do note though - is that no matter how bad this ...... this......... person is........ he's laughing all the way to the bank.........

    Oh - one other thing - I really don't ever want to see him - my respect for all of you and your opinions is without question...... thus i can safetly Vote to "hang em high"

    Happy Hunting

    Rod
     
  19. quartermoonpro

    quartermoonpro Active Member

    Hahahahahahahhahahahhahahhahahhahahhahahaha!!

    But then again, God Bless America, Free Enterprise, and PT Barnum who showed us that there is one born every minute!

    Peace,
    Brad
     
  20. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    Ya'know I've never heard of this guy and if I had, I would never, normally, have given him a second thought. But, after reading so much crap about him, I'm really curious to hear him and find out for myself how bad, or not, he really is. It's a good thing I'm broke at the moment.

    I guess it really is true; Any publicity is good publicity.

    If I ever put out a CD, I'm going to be all over the web talkin' $*^t about myself. Atleast, untill everyone else is.
     

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