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EuroDesk SL3242 Pro...where ya at Cucco?

Discussion in 'Recording' started by UCoVi, Jan 24, 2008.

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  1. UCoVi

    UCoVi Guest

    Got a "B***inger", as I've noticed is the lingo, ordered and will be here tomorrow.
    Anyone have any experience with this model or know anyone who does?

    EuroDesk SL3242 Pro : 499$
  2. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    Dec 10, 2001
    Pacific NW

    Did ya buy it after reading all the BAD things people have to say about them just to prove something?

    Oh well.....its your money.

    Any clue as to why its so cheap???

    Any at all?
  3. UCoVi

    UCoVi Guest

    No actually. I bought this item 4 days ago and asked members on here about its quality yesterday. Im not in the business of prooving too many things.
  4. UCoVi

    UCoVi Guest

    how 'bout this revelation...

    perhaps instead of commenting on how badly my money was spent, obviously, why aren't there any suggestions as to what I COULD buy with my 500$ that's comparable and will be something everyone "approves" of. Just me but if I had the knowledge I'd share it instead of hoarding it.
  5. mwacoustic

    mwacoustic Guest

    I think the point is, why are you asking about it after you already plunked down the money for one? Just bad timing?

    You won't find many Behringer fans here, and I won't try to contradict them, but if you ordered this because you think it will meet your needs, then go for it! Learn to use it as best you can, focus on the music, and get everything you can out of it. It will do a better job mixing than no mixer at all (which is what I assume you have today). So what if it is not top quality, you should still be able to learn a lot with it and maybe upgrade someday when you are ready and have the $$.

    BTW, I don't think anyone here is "hoarding" information - they are just scratching their heads a bit about where you are coming from.
  6. Space

    Space Distinguished Member

    Jun 26, 2007
    Oh-boy!!! I'm gettin' my popcorn ready!!!
  7. UCoVi

    UCoVi Guest


    Yeah, pretty much just bad timing I quess. I thought I had researched the product enough and read enough reviews. From my research I gathered that 8 out of 10 people who bought it, loved it and the other 2 well I assumed just bought bad boards. It happens...even with the best..mackie...etc

    The good news is...
    it IS my first board
    i dont run a million dollar studio
    and If the worst comes of it I can always get a refund! or exchange it for a better board

    so I guess the only question I have now is what type of board is widley appreciated for under 500$?
  8. mwacoustic

    mwacoustic Guest

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    What exactly do you plan to do with the board once you get it? (What will you be plugging into and out of it?)
  9. TheBear

    TheBear Guest

    ive use a smaller version of that mixer. its not great....its not horrible. i put up some songs on here before using that very mixer... remy and few other people liked the sound of my mixes. so dont strain urself with what people say sometime.

    BUT! if you are wanting to do multitrack recording....not such a good idea getting this mixer and should of gone with the firewire interface fo sho.
  10. MadMax

    MadMax Distinguished Member

    Mar 18, 2001
    Sunny & warm NC
    Home Page:
    heheheh... sorry, bro... I just can't resist. You've opened the door...

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! That's just TOOO funny.... I got tears in my eyes! Mackie and best in the same sentence!

    Dayam bro... you're killing me! That's some funny $*^t! My sides are hurtin' from laughing so hard!

    Lemme know how quick that refund check comes, will ya!?!

    Sorry to bust on ya so hard... most of it's really in good natured fun, though.

    Hans has got the bad rep from several things...
    Copyright theft of designs
    Cheap substandard parts
    Low tolerance parts
    Forced slave labor to build the gear
    Failure to pay import tariffs
    Inconsistent quality control
    Poor warranty repair/service
    Lack of dealer responsibility/support

    (Just to name a few things)

    The Smackie VLZ's are getting good press for the budget market. I hate the EQ's, but since yer' just starting out with tracking and mixing, you could do worse... not by much... you could use Hans' Hack's...

    I'm an A&H fan. The pre's are decent and the EQ's.... well, at least A&H does have one.

    So what exactly is your recording medium that you're going to use with this console?
  11. UCoVi

    UCoVi Guest

    Pro tools on a Mac.
  12. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Moderator

    Feb 23, 2005
  13. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    Dec 10, 2001
    Pacific NW
    Since you havent been here for very long I'll forgive you for inferring that ANY knowledge is withheld here for selfish reasons.

    The truth is far far from that.

    When you come on here and are calling Cucco out about a purchase you've already made, it can only be assumed you have read some of his tirades about B****ger gear.

    Now about that other question.

    What could you possibly be recording that you're going to need 18 channels all at once? I assume you're going to be using a ProTools LE system.....of course this is just an assumption.........

    Now you'll have 32 channels....right? 4 subs? stereo master....thats a 3242 model......

    If you're only going to record say 8 tracks at a time at the most, and you're not going to be using the board as a live PA reinforcement console,again.....WHY?

    I would be VERY interested where your research was spent finding 8 out of 10 people who liked this unit.

    For under $500 you could have gotten a used Mackie (not 'the best' but better than the Bword.) or a brand new Yamaha MG series whos mic pres are awfully good for the money....

    Like I said its yer money.

    If you use it right I'm sure it'll work well. Have you ever used a board before? Do you know about gain-staging? Phase slip with EQ? Balance? Do you have a decent interface between the mixer and the ProTools?
  14. UCoVi

    UCoVi Guest

    The title to this thread can't be understood without allusion to a conversation that Cucco and I were already having. Rather than calling him OUT, he was being called ON. He stated that if I were to post in this forum rather than the acoustic forum he would answer my question. Hence the title. It was a "flag" for him to notice.

    The reason for all the channels is simply to keep my main mix without change and also have enough extra channels for other people visiting my house to toy with.

    Digi rack...or Delta1010L havent decided.
  15. MadMax

    MadMax Distinguished Member

    Mar 18, 2001
    Sunny & warm NC
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    OK... now we're kinda getting somewhere...

    The 1010LT has 10 channels of I/O.

    That means you could get 8 tracks in, and 1 stereo out -OR- 2 mono outs for monitoring. At the absolute most, you could do 5 stereo subgroups out for mix.

    Typically for me it would be 2 subgroups and a couple of inserts. Don't forget a single insert takes two channels... a 2-Bus insert is 4 channels gone.

    You don't have enough total I/O to do a mix that would require that size of a console. Besides, if you're using Pro Tools, the majority of the mixing will be done in the box.... unless you step up to at least an HD1... even then, you'll only have 16 channels of I/O capability, and you'll need to purchase 2 8 channel converters or a single 16 like an Aurora.

    Can you see why you're being questioned on an 18 channel piece of junk?

    Unless you are mainly going to track live, and pump subgroups and/or auxes to the 1010, you cannot possibly need that big of a console... either that or you're gonna quickly jump out of the budget market and become a gear slut from hell.

    I'll warn ya' though... it's a slippery slope that gear slut trail is... Let this be your fair and formal warning...

    I started out with a 1202, then a 1604, then a 24 8*Bus, then a GS3000 and a GL2200 AND an O2R AND an Icon and looking at a 2nd GS3000!

    The bug got me fast and it's been SAVAGE!

    Now I own two mobile rigs worth of gear and a complete HD3 rig and building a studio. All in the short span of less than 15 years.

    It's been one hell of a spiral........

  16. UCoVi

    UCoVi Guest

    I know, its more tracks channels than I need...but...I just want enough to Keep a permanent mix on about 9 tracks and use the others for people to mess with when they come to jam or what not. If im thinking too much please enlighten me and guide me. I never said I was an expert, it just made sense to me. But If this is really too much I can always exchange the item for another mixer...the seller of this product has a great warranty and exhcange policy. its not from the manufacturer btw.
  17. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Mar 8, 2004
    Fredericksburg, VA
    Okay...so you asked for the truth...can you handle the truth?? ;-)

    The first question I have for you -

    What is your exact intent with this mixer?

    Is it for recording?

    Is it for live-sound reinforcement?

    Is it for a little bit of both??

    Based on your other post, I'm assuming its primary role is for recording.

    So, let me break it down into the absolute basics-
    The mixer costs about $550, right? Let's figure the cost of stuff here:

    The casing itself and the power supply and registering the power supply with UL (they did do this, right??? You'd be surprised, Behringer has a spotty record of not doing this). Could we safely assume that even if they did this all on the VERY cheap, parts and labor set them back $100 per unit?

    Okay, so that leaves us $450 dollars.

    That also leaves us with 24 mic inputs, several line inputs, a master section, faders galore, an EQ and effects.

    Let's focus on the faders. They're 60mm faders and I assume they're not Penny and Giles or Panasonic, but let's look at associated costs -
    If we were to assume that they spent $5 per fader and another $2 for the cost associated to install each fader, total being $7 times 30, we've not spent $210. That leaves us $240.

    Considering absolutely nothing else, this gives us $10 per channel to spend on each mic input. This doesn't factor profit or anything else.

    If those are Neutrik panel mount XLR jacks, that's $1.80 per piece (in bulk purchases of 1000). Considering there's roughly 3 per channel, that's just shy of $6 out of the $10 spent on connections alone. We're now down to spending $4 per preamp. Bear in mind, we still haven't designed and built any of the channel EQs or the master section or the effects or the master EQ.

    My point here is that while every mixing console on the planet has to compromise in one way or another, this board compromises in every possible way.

    I'm afraid what you're doing is buying a board that's "overbuilt" - not in the quality sense (like a Mack truck is over built) more in a "too much crap thrown together and attempted to make look pretty" kind of over built (like a Dupont Circle Prostitute...)

    What happens then is that you get a board which sounds like poo, works like poo and has the resale value of poo.

    My STRONG advice is, if you're recording primarily with this, get an interface with 8 to 12 decent preamps built in and call it a day. Presonus, Mackie, Motu and others offer great devices nowadays that do the recording thing (and even the live mixing thing if you can adapt to the workflow) with aplomb.

    The gross misconception amongst those who are new to the recording field is that a mixer is needed for recording.

    While large studios greatly benefit from a quality mixer, the key here is quality. A good mixer will set you back several thousand dollars. (The cheapest new mixer I would buy would be a Neotek and that would set you back a cool $15,000). SSLs, APIs and Neves will cost you as much as a new home.

    My point here -

    It's hard enough in the world of recording to not get taken in by hype and wind up spending your life savings upgrading to find bigger and better all in the pursuit of better sound. If you start off with a piece like this, you damn yourself for ever and ever.

    Check out used Ramsa boards on ebay if a new console is a must. Otherwise, stick with an interface and be happy for years.

  18. bent

    bent No Bad Vibes! Well-Known Member

    Oct 26, 2007
    Cocoa, FL
    But wait, there's more!

    The preamps are not at all transparent.

    The EQ is relatively pointless.

    The build quality is, as Cucco said, cheap.

    Right out of the box I've seen their mixers missing knobs, some with pots sitting askew in their holes, bent faders, preamps that spin around 360 degrees, etc.

    I'll say this, however - If you are running it simply as a router, say to run discreet headphone sends to multiple rooms, CD tracks, returns from your DAW for tracking purposes, etc. It works. If on the other hand you expect it to be all that and more when it comes to tracking your instruments through it, you'll hear it's limitations almost immediately.

    If you intended to use it for routing (and I totally advocate small mixers for that purpose), you would have been better off buying a used Mackie 1202 or similar and used your remaining cash to buy a couple 57's.
  19. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Mar 8, 2004
    Fredericksburg, VA
    I'm a dumbass.

    The post I made above was made without even realizing that there was a first page to this whole thing. My bad.

    Anyway - you've received some good advice so far and then mine and Ben's breakdown of the parts...

    FWIW, the reason I type "Beh***ger" instead of the full name is simple.

    If you google "Cucco" this Recording.org comes up a lot. If you google the "B" word Recording.org comes up a lot. I don't want someone pulling up pages with my name and their name by a google search, etc. IOW, I don't want any ties to that company even if just having typed it in a response.

    I'd also have to question the 8 out of 10 people. No, instead of questioning them, I'd prefer to bitch slap them.

    The reality is, most people who buy mixing consoles (B crap) because they don't know what they're doing. They buy the B crap and it suits them just fine. If you ever want to elevate yourself past that point, you'll probably want to listen to the advice from these guys here.
  20. bent

    bent No Bad Vibes! Well-Known Member

    Oct 26, 2007
    Cocoa, FL
    Yeah, but Ucovi was originally looking for your input specifically!

    Not to denigrate the posts by Davedog, Moonbaby, MadMax, et. al.
    of course!

    I'm a dumbass as well, I saw Cucco's post and just jumped right in.

    Polly want a cracker???
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