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For Kurt Foster - If you could not use NS10's what wou

Discussion in 'Monitoring / Headphones' started by Axeman32, May 20, 2003.

  1. Axeman32

    Axeman32 Guest

    Kurt, if the devil were to burn all the NS10's on the globe what monitors would you use? And would they translate well?
     
  2. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    So in other words, I went straight to hell! OK.. :D If that happened, he would probably destroy what ever my next choice would be so while I am tempted to use this as an opportunity to name a speaker I hate, I will resist and mention the infamous "list" once more. ..... (drum roll).... "the list" please....
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    Tannoy, Dynaudio, Blue Sky, JBL, Earthworks, Westlake, NS 10's :D , Genelec, Hafler, KRK, and PMC
    Those are good. …………………….. Pick one.
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  3. realdynamix

    realdynamix Well-Known Member

    :) OK, to help everyone remember.

    Tannoy, Dynaudio, Blue Sky, JBL, Earthworks, Westlake, NS 10's , Genelec, Hafler, KRK, and PMC
    Those are good. …………………….. Pick one.

    Tannoy, Dynaudio, Blue Sky, JBL, Earthworks, Westlake, NS 10's , Genelec, Hafler, KRK, and PMC
    Those are good. …………………….. Pick one.

    Tannoy, Dynaudio, Blue Sky, JBL, Earthworks, Westlake, NS 10's , Genelec, Hafler, KRK, and PMC
    Those are good. …………………….. Pick one.

    Tannoy, Dynaudio, Blue Sky, JBL, Earthworks, Westlake, NS 10's , Genelec, Hafler, KRK, and PMC
    Those are good. …………………….. Pick one.

    --Rick
     
  4. cjenrick

    cjenrick Active Member

    Where's the Mackie's , darn it!

    Jus kiddin, please don't start people, not enough server space. Maybe this post should be deleted immed.! Help!
     
  5. cjenrick

    cjenrick Active Member

    You know you have too many monitors if...


    Your name is Kurt Foster!
     
  6. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    I wish I had a set of each of the speakers included in "the list". Then I would really be an equipment pig. No I just have some Tannoy DMT12's some NS10's a pair of Auratones and for my office computer I have a set of Paradigms powered by an old Crown D60. Now that's not too many speakers for one guy is it? Kurt
     
  7. Divo

    Divo Member

    Yes Kurt,
    I am affraid you do have too many speakers: and nice pre's, effects processors and quality microphones, so I think it is about time for you to donate them to a worthy cause.............Me :D
    Divo....
     
  8. Axeman32

    Axeman32 Guest

    Not Everybody at once. . . :D
     
  9. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    I would look for something that has a flat response curve, is efficient, doesnt cost an arm and a leg and a major part of an intestine, something that sits nicely on the bridge and makes all your mixes sound like you're Bob Clearmountain...........



    oh crap......I'M in HELL TOO!!!!
     
  10. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    On “the list”, if we could all afford them, Westlake is the premier name. I would also recommend the KRK V8 and V88's for near fields. If you can afford them the Dynaudio near fields are also excellent, better than the KRKs, even.... I would look for a place that carries all (or many) of the brands on "the list" and take a few CDs I was very familiar with and go do some listening. Then ask if you might be able to try a few sets in your studio. Perhaps the salesperson could come and help you with your listening evaluations.

    So many things can come into play. Speakers can sound different in different settings. This is one of the things that make NS10 shine... they sound bad everywhere. I am not joking. That is the thing with NS10 or as we used to call them, "Nasty 10's". They are by no means a great sounding speaker. But there is a degree of serendipity involved in that if you can get a mix to sound good on them, it will sound good on almost anything. I am afraid there will never be a "replacement" for the good ol' NS10.. until Yamaha "reissues" them at $1500 a pair!
     
  11. Axeman32

    Axeman32 Guest

    SORRY KURT! It was just a dream. You still have your beloved NS10's just where you left them. :D

    In a way I was trying to bring out the fact when we get into the monitor discussion NS10 are not always an option. Some people love 'em and some people hate 'em. Not to mention you can only get a used set.

    I agree with the checking them out in the store and if possible at the studio. Is there anything you would do specifcally during your test drive? Eg: Special tone generated Frequency test CD, Vocal focused, Guitar Focused, Orchestra focused, Brass focused etc.

    How might you check if they would transfer?

    Thoughts?
     
  12. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    For near fields, I wouldn't bother using tones to check them. Most near fields don't have much going on below 50Hz by design. Myself, I would use some Sinatra with Billy May or Nelson Riddle or Ella Fitzgerald /Verve Cds to check them. Big bands, good balanced recordings. Also some of Gary Pacozas stuff from Alison Krauss or Nickel Creek. Those would be my references. Also some early Merle Haggard recordings, just because I have played them on so many other systems, just for enjoyment, I pretty much know them inside out.

    I don't know what to do to check if mix's would travel other than simply doing some mixing and then checking it on other systems. The thing is, what works for one person, may not work for another. That is why I myself lament the discontinuation of the NS10's. It was a constant in a world of variables. Like taking a mousey girl on a dinner date. You know she won't order the Surf & Turf and the evening will end on an "up"(^) note! I still think it was marketing more than anything else and that we will see a "reissue" of them in the future. I could be wrong, it has happened. Kurt
     
  13. Axeman32

    Axeman32 Guest

    Thank You Kurt,

    I'm glad to know we may have saved a life today. :)
     
  14. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Or hell!!! Depending on how you look at it! :D It's all very subjective... Kurt :tu:
     
  15. downflow

    downflow Guest

    Why should I get a set of "Nasty 10's", if I already have a pair of "Super Shitty" computer monitors?
     
  16. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Because NS10's are one of the most linear speakers available (or not) at that price. Your "super sh*tty computer speakers" change their tonal balance as you turn them up and down. NS10s stay constant. This is something a lot of people miss. Not just any bad sounding speaker will do what I am talking of. NS10s are the only ones I know of that fit this description. The simple truth is they work.. tons of great mix's have come forth from NS10's. How many great mix's have you pulled out of your computer speakers downflow?
     
  17. tony moore

    tony moore Guest

    i had some tannoy original 6.5's that i thought sounded frighteningly (is that a word?) close to my ns-10's...

    oh, and i completely agree with kurt on ns-10's.

    tony
     
  18. omegaarts

    omegaarts Member

    It's funny you can't buy NS10's but the original parts are still readily available.
    I use Genalec 1031a's and NS10's with a 2100 McIntosh amp with a commercial Yamaha sub woofer.
    Most of the time I start on the NS10's.
     
  19. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Isn't that funny that their seems to be plenty of spares? I really think Yamaha discontinued the NS10 because they were tired of no one buying the new more expensive stuff they were marketing, instead choosing a set of speakers that retailed for $300 a pair. I truely believe it's all marketing. In another year or so they will re release them for $1500 a pair.

    I'm using the NS10s and Tannoy DMT12s with two Hafler P3000's, one for each side. I also start on the Yamahas and work up to the Tannoys.. It doesn't seem to work very well going the other way. Kurt
     
  20. downflow

    downflow Guest

    I have never pulled a great mix out of anything, that's why I was asking. If you say that NS-10's are the bomb, I'm sure they are. I was just asking why pay a lot of money for crappy speakers when I have some of the crappiest. It was a half-joking way of asking a serious question! :c:
     

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