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FX processing pedal, Small watt guitar amps, both?

Discussion in 'Guitars' started by jfavela, Nov 4, 2005.

  1. jfavela

    jfavela Guest

    I want to add powerful guitar tools to my studio.
    Considering a processing pedal Boss's GT-8 or Vox's AC30 series combo amps. Or both.
    The guitar guy at my local Guitar Center said it should be either or. I told him many of you prefer micing cabs. He said you don't know what your talking about, and that everyone goes direct nowadays. He went on to say that processors send out the emulated sounds/signal would sound , "so not organic, " after it went through the gain stages of the amp and the amp itself.
    I am not a guitarist, I just want to add excellent gear with lots of flexibility to get the sounds I want.
    Can the two work together? My plan was to run the GT-8 into the Vox and mic it. Don't get me wrong I know each one standing alone is great stuff, but the two combined would provide lots and lots more possibilities, right?
    I want modern rock sounds ie: Nickelback, System of a Down, Alice in Chains...
    And flexibility for clean/ambient sounds ie: Cold Play, Gavin DeGraw, John Mayer......
    Yes, in a nutshell, I want it all. LOL.

    Your replies are aniticipated and appreciated.

    Joshua
     
  2. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    ( NO Offense Art!! :p )....Now why would anyone...say somthing like we dont know whut we're talkin about here???? And why do they all seem to work at Guitar Shack?


    Speakerless....aka: Direct, is simply only ONE FRIKIN WAY TO KILL A CHICKEN!!!


    These people really piss me off.


    #30 years I been doin this and I still dont know whut I'm talking about.

    I gotta say I like yer idea better. I owned a GP8 for years. Its like the Roland 3000 digital delays....theres been something different built...just not better in terms of tone.

    AC30 strikes me the same way. The reissues are actually better sounding amps....at least they're more consistant.

    Guitars sounds do NOT come from the programed release of a digital process. Guitars are MECHANICAL....(see Leo Fender)...

    Electric guitars....like acoustic guitars....have body vibrations, neck coupling, environment being played in, all the same issues.

    Negating these things and calling it guitar is bogus.

    It is indeed a 'musical part' being played on a guitar, but without the speaker reacting to voltage reacting to voltage reacting to a means to start sympathetic and melodic vibrations on a string being translated by a MAGNET ...then it aint guitar.


    Just my view.



    Carry-on.


    I like processed stuff.............

    I just call it what it is......


    now the Strat through a TUBE AMP............................{ HAHA I DO OWN A TUBE AMP!!!!}


    thats another thing.
     
  3. CoyoteTrax

    CoyoteTrax Well-Known Member

    I agree with Davedog about the benefit of Guitar + Tubes + Speakers and a dash of processing power at the front when you want it.

    Plenty of pro's track big tones using small watt amps like the Champ, Pro Junior, AC30, or maybe a JMP-1 pre and sometimes doubling the guitar parts direct through a processor like the GT-8 or POD XT. Some even route their processor to a JMP-1 or amp head or combo and use the line out into the console or mic the combo. So, again, the more options you have by owning a nice muti-processor AND an amp, the more creative you can be and the more tonal variety you have access to when tracking different styles of music, different tones, different parts (i.e., leads, rythm, ambient background and pure effects). For some ambient work sometimes direct in through a Line 6 or Boss unit is all you'll need.

    But to only have one option, to track guitars direct through a multi-effects processor is the worst advice I've ever heard.

    I can tell you from experience the guys at GC here in Albuquerque don't even know what a shielding kit is. Nor do they know the difference between a 250K-ohm volume pot and a 500K-ohm pot.

    Only having a multi-effects processor to record with only leads to great disappointment.
     
  4. jfavela

    jfavela Guest

    I love it...

    Music to my ears....
    I'm no pro, but I KNOW I have access to pro's, here at the 'ol Recording.org.
    Yeh, I figured he was blowin' smoke.
    Thanks fellas.

    Joshua
     
  5. Oats

    Oats Guest

    ditto here. u need both a processor and an amp. your idea of running it thru the ac-30 and micing it is solid. i do record direct gtr every once in awhile -- but only as a effect-- not as my only gtr tone. ac-30 is a killer-- i have a modified reissue. there ARE cheaper/different options (small old fenders etc) but they are just different not better. hard to beat the vox-- i'll never part with mine...best of luck!
     
  6. Oats

    Oats Guest

    i just remembered-- when i was younger i spent an enormous amount of time and $ searching for "that tone"-- lots of boxes, cheap amps etc. when i got the vox the search was over-- i shoulda just bit the bullet and got quality to start with and i woulda saved alot in the long run!
     
  7. jfavela

    jfavela Guest

    GT-8 into the AC30....Questions.

    So it was mentioned (explained) to me, that if I run the GT-8 into the AC30 that the amp simulation (signal) the processor sends, when it goes through the gain stages and amplification of the amp itself, might conflict with what the amp wants to do with the signal (in its physical circuitry) yielding undesireable results.
    This is a concern because I really wanted to see what the GT-8's dual COSM feature could push out of the amp.
    Any feedback is anticipated and appreciated.

    Joshua
     

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