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G4 and 001 Question

Discussion in 'Recording' started by Opus2000, Nov 8, 2001.

  1. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Distinguished Member

    Apr 7, 2001
    I just did a session tonight where i had to fill in for an engineer who cancelled...dumbass!! lol
    Anyhue...24 tracks..only like 6 or 7 RTAS plugins and the system was bogged down like crazy!! Now, I didnt get a chance to really see what their extension sets were like but I know they have 700+ MB of memory and I know a G4(I think 400 or 500 processor) should be able to handle that much plugin useage. My question is what do most people here get for RTAS useage on 24 tracks before their system starts giving you that lovely error "you should increase processor useage..etc etc"?
    Also...on a PC it's important to order the RAM with larger chunks first then smaller proceeding..does this follow for Macs as well?
  2. mattgirard

    mattgirard Guest

    Which RTASplug-inswere you using? Also what was the Hardware Buffer setting at and the CPU usage at? plug-inslike Waves Renaissance and Bomb Factory use a lot of resources. And a CPU usage around 40% is practically unusable.

    I have a G4/466 and an AMIII/PT LE and I can usually get 8-10 EQ/Compressors with a CPU around 65% (Waves and McDSP)

    Hope that helps.

  3. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Distinguished Member

    Apr 7, 2001
    Well...I came in as a late engineer to the session so the plugins that I saw that were being used were...Bomb Factory LA4 emulation plugin(I think..didnt get too good a look..) I bypassed them just to get the recording to happen!! I set the Hardware buffer to 256 for recording so latency wouldnt be too bad but tried it at 512 and 1024 as well...I noticed a MaxxBass from Waves as well..yes, waves definately take up power..Cpu useage was at 85%..I'll lower it a bit and see if that helps too..I'm going back tonight to do mixing and so forth!!
    but here's the thing...my PC which I run Nuendo on which is a PIII 650 runs better than that G4 I was working on....not to start a flame war but man..I'm really hating Macs more and more these days!!! :D
  4. silver

    silver Guest


       I have used both a G4 and pc for digi.
       On the G4 with 24 tracks i got the same
       performance you're experiencing.
       I now use a 1.3ghz Athlon (PC) and get
       about 30plug-ins(all either waves or
       bombfactory) plus two different aux inputs
       with at least 4 sends to each input.

       I too am no longer impressed with the mac's
       performance....especially the price
       comparison...but hey...
       i don't want to start a platform war or
       nothing! :)

       Also i have found RAM to be no-where near
       as important to performance as cpu speed.
       Unless you're dealing with error-checking
       RAM etc.
       The pc is running on just 256 megs of RAM

       Just my thoughts....

  5. ednaroma

    ednaroma Guest

    Well, I gotta say my G4/533 runs like a beauty, no complaints at all. I would be interested to know what other extension sets, control panels etc are running that may contribute to the slowdown.

  6. lwilliam

    lwilliam Active Member

    Oct 6, 2000
    Santa Clarita, CA USA
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    When you bypass a plugin, you are still holding the CPU power in reserve. The BF plugins in particular are notorious for heavy CPU usage. I could only get 2 or 3 (I forget - they were only the demo versions) LA4s running on my G4/400 before it choked up (with a full 24-track session). It's one of the reasons I never bought any of the BF plugins.

    You have to actually DISABLE (not just bypass) a plugin in order to re-gain the CPU power back. This was a complaint in 5.0.1 and Digi gave us the disable option in 5.1.

    As far as sheer number of plugins, the PC version of PTLE FAR surpasses the Mac version. I've seen comparisons between Athlon 1.5Ghz and Mac G4/867Mhz where the Athlon will get 2-3 times as many plugins.

    If Digi and their third-party development partners ever begin to utilize dual processors or Altivec on a Mac, then that should level the playing field.

    When you run PTLE on a Mac G4, it's essentially like running it on a G3.

    BTW, I'm a Mac user for PTLE.
  7. opus

    i just want to let you know that i'm the engineer who cancelled, my wife was in labor, i now have a beautiful baby girl, and next time i see you i'm gonna kick your ass
  8. droog

    droog Active Member

    Nov 3, 2001
  9. crazy_guitar

    crazy_guitar Guest

    I used to have a Mac, now I have a PC for the 001, and everything runs smoother, but on the Mac I used the same hard drive, on the PC I use a different hard drive for audio...so maybe this is whats happening here....
  10. ednaroma

    ednaroma Guest

    ahh yes, hard drive speeds will play a critical role as well.


    P.S. Congrats on your baby Opus

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