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GAIN problem

Discussion in 'Recording' started by SwurVe, Sep 8, 2005.

  1. SwurVe

    SwurVe Guest

    Hello,

    I am new to these forums and hope you can offer some help.

    I am currently using the Digi 002 and ProTools LE...

    My problem is....

    It seems like with the GAIN on the Digi 002 it almost has to be like fully up id say about 85 percent... for my recordings to even peak at like -2...on my old behringer mixer i only had to have my nob turned up like to +3 and that would record definintly long enough....now see the problem with the GAIN is....When I turn the GAIN up to be loud enough so my recordings will peak where i want them....i cant a really bad Wind type noise....i think its from the GAIN being up so far.....it sounds like theres wind blowing into the mic....ive checked the mic and the cables and none of them are the problems...ive always taken care of my mic.....Its wierd cause i wouldnt think anyawys that the gain wuold have to be that loud...i mean i almost have it all the way turned up....but if i turn it to like the middle....the vocal recordings are so low....they peak at like -20 or -30....

    Someone please help


    Thank You
     
  2. SwurVe

    SwurVe Guest

    Also I am using a condensor microphone

    and its the digi 002 rack im using
     
  3. gucci

    gucci Guest

    buddy,
    industry spes say the behringer preamps are nt very hugh quality, but pit em against a mackie onyx's and see fr yourself
    Always better to get mic levels boosted thru a good quality preamp..befoire you hit record..theyres some tasteful stuff out there!
    guc
     
  4. gnarr

    gnarr Guest

    You're using phantom power for the condensers? right?
     
  5. JamesG

    JamesG Guest

    what about a windscreen? If you are recording vocals a windscreen is a must
     
  6. SwurVe

    SwurVe Guest

    I have yet to see a windscreen put over a studio condensor mic though...ive seen pictures and been to a session....I dont see those black windscreens put over the mic.....I do use a pop filter if thats what your trying to say....and also....yes I do have phantom power on
     
  7. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    I don't have a Digi 002 to reference, so I will ask a couple of questions:
    This noise you describe sounds like what is referred to by techs as "blow"...loud electronically-generated background noise brought on by cranking up the gain...is that courrect?
    Doesn't the rack version 002 require the software to run the mixer inside it? If so, maybe the level settings are way off. Maybe something has been "muted"...check the input source selection...
    Are you hearing anything from the mic besides noise? Are you getting something, but it's just too weak? Does your mic have a pad switch that inadvertently got switched on?
    I have "assumed" (I know...) that you are plugging into the proper input on the 002...one of those funky XLR/phone jack combo types for a mic or guitar...you might check that out,too.
    Just curious, what mic are you using?
    And to the dude who suggested the "windscreen"....
     
  8. jonnyc

    jonnyc Member

    Yeah windscreens are not, i repeat, not a must in studios at all. I've never used one nor ever seen one used.
     
  9. JamesG

    JamesG Guest

    my bad, I just got back from class....
     
  10. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    I believe that there was a bit of confusion due to semantics. We must ALL remember that there are members of this org who are in other parts of the world. Not every member speaks or understands "American", and there is no reason that they should.I think the term "wind noise" threw him for a loop, that's all.
    I am still waiting for a response from SwurVe. I think there's something going on with that internal digital mixer that's being overlooked...
     
  11. SwurVe

    SwurVe Guest

    I am using a Marshall MXL 990....I have on the back the thing set to +4 not on -10....but in protools i cant find where the option is to change it in their either....
     
  12. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    I have use windscreens and mic socks in the studio
    but that's another story
    :roll:
    however when I saw noise and wind I did assume it may have been
    electronic type hiss

    +4 / -10 should be in the hardware set-up control panel

    even so ,
    I don't think this will change your basic Mic input settings.
    I hope you have got the Mic/Line/Pad switch in the right position
    and I don't have a 002 to look and touch so I'm guessing here

    You need a Mic input without any attenuation - (like a PAD)
    and not a Line input.
    ... and with the Marshall you probably do need the phantom switched on ... I think that's a small white push switch on the back panel.

    Mic - Cable - 002
    and with Digi faders at 0dB
    ... you should easily get enough level for almost anything.
     
  13. SwurVe

    SwurVe Guest

    Man I have tried everything...I have the mic in the thing and then I have phantom on...I have the button pressed down so it switches to mic and the button for high pass filter....But like to even get a good solid recording level I have to have the GAIN up almost all the way and then it makes htat really bad i think digital sound from the gain being up so much....I just dont see whats blocking me from having my recordings soo low....their is no pad on my mic....i dont know where in protools i can do sometin...arghh and i got ppl comin over tommorrow to record :(
     
  14. SwurVe

    SwurVe Guest

    Well I went and tested my marshall out on my Behringer mixer and even on that I had to turn the GAIN up more on it then before....and before when id id it didnt make that wind noise.....now it is....im wondering maybe if it is my microphone....but ive alway skept good care of it
     
  15. baslotto

    baslotto Active Member

    Hi SwurVe,

    I'd suggest you to try another microphone. Follow the chain from the sound source. If changing the mic still gives you the same hiss try replacing the cable, untill you find the problem (try another channel on the 002...). Adjust the levels on from what you see on the screen. Bypass the mixer and listen to the 002 if you still have the hiss. My best bet is the mic... Unless you have something damaged in the 002.

    Take care. Bas.
     
  16. SwurVe

    SwurVe Guest

    What im saying is I took the mic back to my old setup and tried it and it made the same sound.....and I had to turn the gain up even alot too....So im guessing that it is my microphone that is making the problem
     
  17. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    This is one of the resons it is very handy to have a very simple usable industry standard mic on tap all the time

    I use an SM58 or 57 for all the simple mic-pre checks.

    Any dynamic mic will probably do.

    Another realy handy device to have is a simple Passive Transformer DI box.
    One that is set up such that a typical CD in a typical CD player will give a balance mic level similar to a typical vocal level into the above SM58.
    OR
    a LOUD CD will give a level similar to a very strong vocal level into the above mic.

    I hope that makes some sense.
     
  18. SwurVe

    SwurVe Guest

    Yea I figured out my mic is the problem...but I always keep it in the case and stuff and now its making this wind noise....
     

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