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Discussion in 'Recording' started by vagelis, Nov 3, 2002.

  1. vagelis

    vagelis Guest

    I'm about to edit the drum tracks but I can still hear the gate on the snare.I mean the typical "pss". Of course is better when I push the O.H. louder but is there another way to make it better?
     
  2. pan

    pan Guest

    If "pss" means the sound of cutting into the next HHat, try experimenting with the hold and decay/release-times. Taking the next hit into the decay, not cutting it, sometimes helps.

    Niko
     
  3. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Please define "pss". Is it before or at the tail of the hit? Are you describing the snares rattling, the "zzzzt" at the tail of the sound.. If so that's what a snare is supposed to do...Snares don't go "BONK", like a lot of people seem to think ...... Fats
     
  4. vagelis

    vagelis Guest

    I mean the HiHat. It's getting louder when I compress the snare and with the gate sounds psst.
    Iknow the problem and I always mix it to the O.Hs but this time it doesn't seem to work so well
     
  5. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    A man goes to a Doctor and says "It hurts when I do this." The Doctor says "Don't do that."
    The very function of compression is not to just limit max level but to bring lower levels up as well. This is the problem when using compression on drums. It can increase spill. I usually don't find it necessary to use compression on trap kits. IMO it robs the drums of their sparkle and impact. I love to compress the sh*t out of a lot of things but drums aren't one of them.
    It may be time to start thinking of replacing the snare hits. If you are in DAW this will be easy. If not, post back and I will describe an analog technique for you to try ……. Fats
     
  6. vagelis

    vagelis Guest

    Well I use Protools system with logic software.
    Well explain me please how to replace or a trick to gate. Sometimes it works with tha gates sometimes not. It depence of the music I produce
    I can't start replacing the snares per hand cause this needs weeks and it will never sound the same.
    There must be another way.
    How do other studios make it?

    Thank you - Vagelis
     
  7. pan

    pan Guest

    Hey Vangelis - check out "Strip Silence" you can access it in the Audio-Window and apply it to the selected Region.
     
  8. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    There must be a provision for acomplishing drum hit replacement in Pro Tools. I am positive I have seen a plugin for this application. If not an ALESIS D4 or D5 drum module has trigger inputs and you can plug an out from the snare track to trigger the module. Another way is to take a line out with the snare only on it and run it to a power amp - speaker. The speaker shoud be an auratone or other single driver small speaker. Place the speaker on the snare drum head, driver facing the head, using somthing like the hub of a 2" tape reel between the speaker and the snare head to couple the two. When you play back the track it will excite the snare, mic this and record it to another track. Then blend the two together in mix...Old trick.....Fats
     
  9. e-cue

    e-cue Active Member

    Sound replacer... It's a cinch.
    1. Grab the best sounding snare sample you have (or even a better one you like from a library, hell, you can add up to 3 with different thresholds) and export it as a edited sample.
    2. Create a new track and name it "Replaced Snare" or whatever. (you could just replace it back to the orginal track, but this can limit your options in the future)
    3. Select the region(s) to be replace
    4. Drag your threshold down on the 1st silder to the left. (hit update if you don't see a waveform). You can also control the dynamics and mix of the replacing sample.
    5. Click the disk icon below the threshold.
    6. Set your DESTINATION TRACK to "replaced snare"
    7. Click Process. Delete any snares that triggered that you didn't want to. I'd also recomend soloing the orignal snare & the replaced to spot check.
     
  10. RecorderMan

    RecorderMan Distinguished Member

    Great soundreplacer primer e-cue (BTW...how DO you use stereo samples...I know you can...but I can't.....HOW?)

    ....As for GATES. Haven't used one in a couple of years (really). I choose to work with the ballance's intsead (That is if it's not a kit I recorded). If I'm getting more hat than snare on the snare mic...I'd probably soundreplace or trigger a sample (and cus out the guy who put me in that position). I'd also try and get more snare out of re-balancing the OH's/Rooms/Toms ect(The bottom of the snare is/can be accentuated by good tom tracks...i.e. the bleed on said tom tracks). A combination of rebalancing, sound replacer/triggering sample, and gating, and the re-amp snare technique that Fats metioned could be the ticket to a happy fix.
     
  11. vagelis

    vagelis Guest

    Hello Chef!
    Call me stupid but I can't understand what you mean with "using something like the hub of a 2" tape reel between the speaker and the snare head to couple the two". My english knowledge left me :)
    Can you explain it in different way or something?
    Thanks alot :)
     
  12. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Some type of tube. On a 2 inch tape reel, there is a plastic piece that the 2 metal reel flanges are attached to with little screws. It's something like a 4" X 2" cylinder. It couples the speaker to the snare drum much like an eardrum works .......Fats
     
  13. RecorderMan

    RecorderMan Distinguished Member

    Another way of placing an auratone on a snare is to use a pair of drumsticks. DuckTape them to the bottom sides of the auratone and it acts like a little raft on the "seas" of snare.
     
  14. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    That works great if you just want to mic the bottom of the drum (snares), but if you want to reamp the whole snare drum you need the 2" reel hub. It isolates the speaker and couples it to the drum which then allows you to re mic the drum without the added spill from the auratone....Fats
     

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