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Discussion in 'Recording' started by sergepostigo, Aug 6, 2002.

  1. sergepostigo

    sergepostigo Guest

    I just graduated from recording school and I'm out recording in a couple of weeks.
    I'd just like to post the gear I've rent for the session in case some of you has advices about it.

    The session in done in a cabin by the lake during two weeks on a ProTools LE/Mac G4 733 with :

    - 10 preamps taken out of a Trident B series
    - 1 Focusrite red 6
    - 2 BrĂ¼el & Kjaer 4011 mics
    - 1 AKG D112 (of course)
    - 2 CAD E-100 mics
    - 2 Neumann TLM 170 mics
    - 2 Shure SM57
    - 1 Neumann U67

    The instruments :

    - Drums, electric guitar, accoustic & classic guitar, percussions, wurlitzer, rhodes, clavinet, moog, lap steel guitar

    The amps :

    - Fender bassman and Fender twin reverb

    Any comments?

  2. RecorderMan

    RecorderMan Distinguished Member

    Mar 28, 2001
    Looks like a quite a good collection of gear. Have fun and let us know how it goes.
  3. sergepostigo

    sergepostigo Guest

    Thank you, sir!
  4. sergepostigo

    sergepostigo Guest

    Anyone has a comment on the mics I've selected?

    Or anybody has electric piano recording tips?
  5. imacgreg

    imacgreg Guest

    No disrespect intended, but didn't you "just finish recording school?" Did they teach you about mics and recording electric pianos? I know it kinda sounds like I'm jumping down your throat; I'm not, I am genuinely curious. What did your cirriculum consist of? As far as your mics, it's an impressive list. What kind of band/music?

  6. sergepostigo

    sergepostigo Guest

    No disrespect intended, but didn't you "just finish recording school?"

    Did they teach you about mics

    and recording electric pianos?
    NO That's why I'm asking for tips. I know I'll probably end up micing the rhodes trought the fender twin, but I'd like to know if there's any particuliar mic for this kind of job.

    What did your cirriculum consist of?
    I've been recording demo and semi-pro stuff of my own work since 10 years (I'm 25), played a lot of gigs and went a lot of places, including recording school where I learned about (and did) analog and digital recording sessions, theory of sound, sound design and a lot more. I even know how to edit takes by splicing tape.

    What kind of band/music?
    Look at the instrument list.

    Now, do you have any advice? Have you used the mics on my list?
  7. Midlandmorgan

    Midlandmorgan Active Member

    Jul 21, 2002
    I'd be real careful about running a Thodes thru a Twin...the open back design could make the bottom keys really poop out, and you might just blow those speakers clean outta existance!

    Many many (many many many...get the picture?) years ago I played bass in a stage band, and used a cabinet designed specifically for the Rhodes: had 2 JBL D140s and a horn...so, for recording a Rhodes, you may be better off using a bass cab or even a full range PA speaker, and place a 57 about 3 feet away to get both horn and woofer...

    I've never recorded a real honest to God Rhodes, but I would be hesitant to use a condensor...transients may be a bit much for it...but that is just a guess...
  8. sergepostigo

    sergepostigo Guest

    Thank you for the advice!
  9. RecorderMan

    RecorderMan Distinguished Member

    Mar 28, 2001
    You can use a DI from the headphone out and/or mic the little speaker that's built in.
    A '57 is just fine for this.

    Also...I've run 'em into amps with no problems either.
  10. sergepostigo

    sergepostigo Guest

    Are you thinking of a Wurlitzer? 'Cause Rhodes don't have headphone output or built-in mini-speakers...

    If you were talking about Wurlitzer, wich kind of amps did you use?
  11. Bear's Gone Fission

    Bear's Gone Fission Active Member

    Jan 4, 2001
    Rhodes were sold with these combo amps that were built so they could be used as a stand for the keyboard. I've heard a few of these and thought they were really cool, gave more of a downhome sound to things. The speakers built into the Wurlitzer electric pianos have all been completely useless in my experience, possibly all blown at that . . .

    I would think that you might want to mix up your mic pre options a bit. You might really like cinnamon, but you probably wouldn't put it on everything you cook, if you get my meaning.

  12. sergepostigo

    sergepostigo Guest

    Thanks Bear!

    I'm considering renting a Neve 3115 (8 ch. discrete 1081 preamps). How does it differ from the Trident?

    Is there someone who've heard about McCurdy (vintage) preamps? Sounds like a cotton harvesting company...

    I really appreciate all your comments.
  13. Tungstengruvsten

    Tungstengruvsten Active Member

    Sep 10, 2001
    Guelph, Ontario
    Hey Maxime;

    Just finished a project with a rhodes to record, I used a bunch of different setups but my fave was definitely a 441 up close to the grille at speaker edge(i think i had some lows rolled off on the mic) and a MGU70(cardioid) about 3 feet away. Substitue whatever dynamic/LD condensor combo you have that sounds good.....anyway, I had the amp in a good sized room with wood floors and such, and a room mic up in a corner for a bit of ambience(i think it was either a SP C3 or an NTV)

    Anyways, we ran the rhodes through a fender twin(love that vibrato and spring reverb) and also through an old Fender Deluxe for some of the punchier tunes. And on one song I think the keeper track we used an old Traynor block 50, it just sounded right at the time...

    The 441 went into a digimax with the limiter hitting a little, and the MG went into a Sytek MPX 4 pre and then a drawmer dl241 comp with a little compression.

    hope this helps...

    oh and just outta curiosity did you go to Recording Arts in Montreal? I went there and taught at the sister school(in Ontario) for awhile...

  14. Tungstengruvsten

    Tungstengruvsten Active Member

    Sep 10, 2001
    Guelph, Ontario
    Oh yeah and as for the McCurdy stuff, it's mostly broadcast consoles and such, the 70's compressors are decent but if yer looking vintage canadian and cheap you can only be looking for Ward-Beck stuff....
  15. RecorderMan

    RecorderMan Distinguished Member

    Mar 28, 2001
    Don't forget that for the majority of this industry this whole buisness of different pre's has been a exception for the most part. Look at the Beatles, or James Brown...on average how many differrent brands of pre's did they have/use/have access to? Usually 1.
    Don't get me wrong. It's nice to mix and match if you got 'em. My point is that the source is where the overwhelming amount of sonic coloring can/is/should be adjusted...followed by mic's & there placement.
  16. DBX 165

    DBX 165 Guest

    I have 4 McCurdy preamps from a 70's broadcast board and they sound GREAT!

    Definitely look into them. You should get them cheap because they are not well known. I know that they were designed to meet CBC's anal audio spec.'s

    There is not a great deal of info about them but try here.

    Google search
  17. Bear's Gone Fission

    Bear's Gone Fission Active Member

    Jan 4, 2001
    Recorderman, you're absolutely right that historically we've been on console pre's and that's all, and with some of the old classics, it's hard to argue with the results.

    Since Maxime is renting outboard preamps, it just makes sense to me that so long as you are going to that length, it isn't much further to go to get a different flavor or two and get a bit more sonic flexibility.

    If we aren' just talking pres, though, and you gave me a choice of some whizbang outboard pres and a Mackie board vs an old Trident, though, I'm taking the Trident, or hopefully the API. Or do you have a Neve you can spare?

  18. sergepostigo

    sergepostigo Guest

    Thanks for all your comments.
    I was offered the choice between Trident B series and Neve 3115 (1081 preamps) and I took the Trident.

    Reason : I prefer a good condition Trident than a never serviced Neve. Plus I've been told that the Trident had tighter bass. Hope I made the right choice...

    Now I can't wait to get down to business!

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