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getting started, need some direction

Discussion in 'Recording' started by Matt26, May 14, 2010.

  1. Matt26

    Matt26 Guest

    i'm fairly new to the whole home recording environment, so please bear with me here.

    i'd like to start recording my own songs using my guitar and some type of drum machine software for starters.

    i have an m-audio jamlab USB device for playing my guitar through my computer using the inTone Express Guitar software, which i've been using for casual jamming and basic recording of my guitar.

    i also have access to Digidesign Pro Tools M-Powered 7 and SONAR Home Studio 7 software- neither of which i have any real experience in using yet.

    so here's what i want to do:

    i'd like to start by recording a basic guitar track, then be able to play the track while recording a new guitar track over top of it, recording both together as one track.

    i'd also like to be able to add in a drum track, hopefully with the ability to create and edit my own drums tracks to be added to the compositions.

    i'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction in terms of which software is best to use (with what i have available noted above) and possibly provide me with some general guidance on how to go about this process.
     
  2. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    As far as I know, the M-Audio Jamlab USB is not a supported device for M-Powered ProTools, so that route is not open to you. What do you mean by "have access to" ProTools anyway?

    You would be better off getting a two-channel USB audio interface that has at least a mic input and a DI input for your guitar, and run it with Reaper or some other low-cost multi-tracking audio software. Many entry-level interfaces come with a "lite" version of serious audio DAWs. Audacity, although free, will not work very well for you because of time delays between the tracks being replayed and ones being recorded.

    You will also need a microphone, stand and lead. I suggest you get a Shure SM58 as a good, versatile vocal mic that will work with almost any audio interface that has a microphone input.
     
  3. Matt26

    Matt26 Guest

    i mean i have the software to use.

    thanks for your suggestions, but i would like to know if i can do what i've outlined with the software/hardware that i have.

    yes/no?
     
  4. Kapt.Krunch

    Kapt.Krunch Well-Known Member

    Probably should have spent that few hundred dollars you spent on software for a proper recording interface with software bundled. It'll be better if you have the proper tools. You probably could have bought a decent interface, with software, for less than what you spent on software, and you'd also have product-specific manuals to guide you.

    Kapt.Krunch
     
  5. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    No.

    You say you want to record some songs and drum tracks. Where are you going to plug a microphone in?
     
  6. Matt26

    Matt26 Guest

    i wasn't planning on using a microphone, just the jamlab device and drum machine software if it's possible... remember, i'm new at this stuff!
     
  7. mrmelody

    mrmelody Active Member

    Using the equipment and software you have, you might try this.
    Personally I love Sonar (Never used Home Studio edition, but I'm sure it will do what you need) so I would install Sonar and setup the audio i/o to work with your JamLab (not sure the specifics here, no experience with JamLab) If you feel comfortable with inTone Express Guitar software then use it if you think you can setup the tracks and panning to work the following.

    Looks like you will be monitoring through your JamLab. So if the JamLab will only monitor stereo play back, you will need to record your guitar on say track 1 panned to the far left. Then when you go to over dub (record a part over that) you will need to set that track panned far right. Make sure that when you are recording your second guitar part or drums that you do not have your first guitar track armed to record. (just a reminder)

    If you want to keep overdubbing you can as much as you like, you just have to bounce your tracks together onto one track OR copy your additional tracks to separate tracks all panned to the same as long as they are not panned the same as the source you are recording at the time.

    Recording this way, you will hear your recorded tracks in the left ear of your headphones and will hear the overdub guitar you are playing in the right. It takes some getting used to, but it works.

    Maybe someone else can chime in here.
    Hope this helps a little.
    good luck.
     
  8. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    Protools M-Powered 7.4 and 8 and higher do support the Jamlab device on WinXP or Vista. Provided it is a legal non-pirated/"borrowed" version.
     
  9. Matt26

    Matt26 Guest

    good to know, thanks.. are there any resources available online (how-to's/tutorials) on how to use the jamlab device in Pro Tools to do what i'm looking to do?
     
  10. Matt26

    Matt26 Guest

    anyone? i've been looking around and i can't anything... i'm hoping there's something out there that can help to get started.
     
  11. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    Go through the basic tutorials on M-Powered PT. What you said you want to do is standard operation of almost any DAW - the JamLab is just a way of getting a signal into PT and does not affect the procedure for basic tracking. You can use the JamLab GT Player Express software as an insert in a PT track.

    Have you read this and ?
     
  12. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    Google search Protools tutorials. There are lots out there. Some cost cash and some don't. I doubt there are any specifically on the Jamlab.
     
  13. spaceman

    spaceman Guest

    before you worry to much about the software and equipment to use you might want to focus on your room..
    if your room is not right even after you do your tracking (recording) you wont be able to do your mixing properly if your room is not right.. get all the info you can and get the room right first then get decent software,equipment and the like to get good material...
    take a look at this, read the details,it might help you out:

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  14. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    I hope this isn't a product you are selling as that would be a definite no no to blatantly self advertise.
     
  15. Cuy

    Cuy Guest

    I'd suggest using Reaper (everything prior to version 1 is freeware) and some free drum VST instrument from KVR. That should be enough for starting. Just record-enable a track, play your guitar, record-enable another track, play your guitar while listening to the first track and so forth.
    Add a track for the drums, create a midi region and just click your drums into the pianoroll editor.

    If you have any question about how to do something, feel free to ask after reading the manual for your audio workstation ;)
     
  16. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    The OP already has DAW software that would appear to be licensed. He should probably start with what he has before introducing the confusion of yet another DAW.
     
  17. Cuy

    Cuy Guest

    Have you ever used Pro Tools? You'll have to create a MIDI Track, route that via a bus to an aux input, insert your instrument there and route the output of the aux via yet another bus to the main out in order to listen to what you clicked into the piano roll.
    In Reaper, you just insert the instrument into the track.

    I don't think, Pro Tools is very beginner-friendly, so I suggested software that I consider useful for an audio newbie. And in order to save money (because he spent so much on Software already) I figured, Reaper 0.9.9 might be helpful.
     
  18. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    Fair enough. Agreed on PT not being newbie friendly. And at $60 for a license, if one goes the Reaper route then there isn't much reason not to have the current version. Or at least as a trial.
     

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