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Discussion in 'Pro Audio Equipment' started by velociraptor84, Dec 20, 2005.

  1. Hey guys I am new to message boards but I would like to obtain the graph or would like to know the db for the frequency response for the JBL Control 1 Xtreme please. If someone could test these monitors to see how flat thay play that would be great.

    Thank You
  2. Few people told me that the Control 1 Xtreme was identical to the orginal Control 1's but I need to make sure that the Control 1 Xtreme are better than the orginal one or the same. I have used the orginal Control 1's for my mixing and tracking and they were great. I have the graph for my orginal Control 1's since it's on JBL Pro.com but I need someone to test the Control 1 Xtreme and make a graph or find one please.
  3. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    Graphs, laughs! What do you care what it LOOKS like on el papel? HOW DO YOU LIKE THEIR SOUND?!??!? Sorry, but we have all had one too many of these "Vanilla Ice" questions.....
  4. huub

    huub Guest

    jeez..you could also just ignore the post...Chill out dude..How would you like it if I call you a vanilla ice? Or mc hammer..
    actually; both ice ice baby, and can't touch this are pretty kewl..
  5. audiowkstation

    audiowkstation Active Member

    In all honesty, their are two reasons to really look at a graph..valid ones.

    Low frequency limits..and sensitivity ratings for different dispersion issues.

    This..I find to be damned helpful when comparing monitors..since those measurements are in a controlled field..regulated by distance and room type.
  6. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    Just to be clear about this to folks who were not aware of it, "Vanilla Ice" was/is a character who continually posted repititive, obnoxious questions about frequency responses of various JBL and Roland/Edirol home studio "monitors". And I mean repititive and obnoxious. He was routinely locked out as a "troll" by the moderators here.
    Anyway, frequency plots and graphs are cool to look at, but there are entirely too many variables in their formulation to be really trustworthy.
    Don't believe that? Do a search function that audiokid has put into production here and see what the professionals here say about just that subject. There are NO industry standards for testing and plotting loudspeaker performance. In fact ANY transducer (whether it is a mic or a speaker) in use today can be, and many times is, mis-represented by such graphs, hyped by a marketing team. I have seen plots for Genelec, Dynaudio, JBL, and Blue Sky that looked very similiar on paper and yet yielded totally different sound. And NONE of those plots says anything about how the mixes you do on those monitors will translate on other systems. In the end, it IS a question of how they sound, not how they plot.
  7. axel

    axel Guest

    moonbaby wrote:

    100% agreed, there is probably nothing more inrelevant then tech numbers especially with speakers. it's ALL about what your ears receive... not what is written on a piece of paper, as mentioned biggest problem is that there is NO standard of how to messure any of the atributes of an speaker, so if you want you can "messure" about any number you want or need to have for your marketing purpose... depending on hundreds of factors during that process / setup, etc, etc...

    but to answer your question do as already advised, take your fave CD, sneak to a shop and listen...

    also, moonbaby was not rude at all, everyone who has experienced "vanilla ice" knows!!! i could have easy reacted the same way or even ruder and more direct!! (just as live, it can happen!)
  8. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Well, just as you guys thought Vanilla Ice, I thought Vaylence or whatever his name was. The only thing is, he didn't use a blue font and the ever-predictable subject line...

  9. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    I apologize to anyone on this forum if/when I come across as a butthead. That is certainly not my intention. BUT I have to stand by that sentiment:
    Monitors, more than any other piece of gear we regularly use in our medium, are about what comes out of them. After 30+ years doing live and recorded sound, full-time and part-time, speakers are the absolute trickiest thing to evaluate.And too many manufacturers hype the specs (JBL being the KING as of late!) rendering them meaningless.
    I remember several years ago, some pro audio mag (MIX or EQ, I believe) set up a "blind shoot-out" of several nearfield studio monitors, using a number of industry professionals as the judges. You know which ones did the best? AMRs-by PEAVEY (an ex-employer I have learned to loathe these many years!)!!!! The poorest? JBL Controls!!!! Just goes to show you...PEACE!
  10. Well you guys I was just woundering that if I got the Control 1X it would be considered the same monitors as the orginal ones or even better. Since my old Control 1's are starting to ware and tare meaning getting old. Plus I love how the orginal old one that I have sounded so that's why I wanted to get the same Control series. But anyways do you guys think that both are considered the same monitors on how that sound?
  11. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    I think you've missed the point entirely. Have you listened to them yet?
  12. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    I can appreciate your situation in that regard, but consider this: How those speakers sounded NEW and how they sounded after a good break-in period, is gonna be different. And after your "old ones" got old is gonna sound different than either! So I doubt that the "new ones" would sound the same as the "old ones", even if they were the same model/components!! Can you grasp that concept?
    Knowing JBL's penchant for marketing and profiteering hype these days (and I own several JBL systems), I don't believe that you are getting the biggest "bang-for-the-buck" with something in that price range. But you really need to contact their website for technical support and ask them if their "new" model is really any different than the "original" model. You might even get someone to give you an honest answer to that question, if it means that much to you. That would be that place to get a response plot, too.
  13. Yes I have listened to both of them side by side and I think they sound idential but I want to see what others think about them too that's why I am asking you guys to see if you guys agree with me that's all. So please tell me if you think they sound the same too or not.
  14. I guess for me the only biggest difference about the two is that the Control 1X has more low highs meaning it sounds more like higher end tweeters since the Control 1X has titanium laminated tweeters so maybe that's why. The orginal Control 1's has Polycarbonated dome tweeters instead of titanium laminated dome tweeters. Other than that I think both sound the same. Since both has same size drivers both tweeters and woofers the same size even the weight is about the same. The size of the box is the same I found out though. But that's what I think. Now I want to know what others think too.
  15. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    Dude, get your polycarbonated, laminated head out of your.........and use your ears!!
  16. axel

    axel Guest

    velociraptor84 wrote:

    if this is what your ears tell you... then this is from zero importance:

    velociraptor84 wrote:

    because no one will mix / listen to your music on this set of speakers, except yourself... got it??

    i had recently a similar problem about a set of speakers, but the reason was that i am unable to audition them myself, you are able to audition them, so you are the only judge!! no matter what others think or say!!

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