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Great River MixMaster 20

Discussion in 'Pro Audio Equipment' started by audiokid, Nov 6, 2010.

  1. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Just posted it on the front page, looks really nice.


    The MixMaster 20 is multi-faceted product designed to interface with any DAW. Combining features that allow tracking and mixing within the same unit, the MixMaster can be considered a small format console.
    The MM20 also provides the engineer with a total of 16 transformers within the unit. This allows for the much-needed musical tone that is so missing, yet needed, in the world of DAW recording

    List $6,500.00

    22 lbs

    Looking forward to reviews
  2. audioblue

    audioblue Guest

    Looks like my search could be over, I was looking at a Speck Xtramix as I have a number of synths that I would like to group together as well as wanting a greater number of inputs and flexibility for mix down/summing duties. Currently using a TLA FatTrack and FF800. The thing is that the Xtramix is reported to be extremely clean, almost to clean for adding some flavour to an ITB mix. So this leads me to the MixMaster 20 and from the little I know this sounds like the business, with all the features I may need. I write manly electronic music, yet find myself more and more working in a variety of fields.
    If anyone has any good ideas on the subject this would be great, I just think that this may be the one.
    Now, someone write a user review on this bad boy and lets see how it turns out, fingers crossed it's as good as it should be.
  3. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Man, this thing looks great. More hybrid audio finding its way into the DAW world. Here is a youtube on the Great River MixMaster 20 . Good to meet Dan Kennedy for the first time too.

  4. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Never met one person talk about it so far, it seems like it would be a cool box. Anyone try this yet? audioblue, you? What did you settle on?
  5. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    You were the first guy I ran into that used a hybrid summing system. I had known about front-loading DAWS with various analog pre's for quite sometime, but hadn't a clue about summing systems on the post end, and the benefits of it... until I met you. Since then I've met several people locally who are implementing hybrid systems into their mixing rigs... so it's obviously catching on.

    I never asked you.... How did you get turned on to it, Chris? Was it on a video or something? Or did you actually meet someone who was using a hybrid rig?

    Oh... and if you ever need a place to "store" any hybrid gear you're not using - LOLOL - you can count on me to keep it safe. ;)
  6. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    I first discovered the concept of hybrid mixing from the guys around here in the late 90's. But the way they captured analog tracks (Round Trip), DAAD back to one DAW is goofy and problematic to my way of thinking so I never paid much attention to it all until Boswell planted some seeds about uncoupling a mix-down system. Then there was Kurt, who kept on about the bottleneck that occurs in a DAW master bus, and how a cheap Mackie sounded better when you bypass the master bus of the DAW.

    Through research, SPL and Dangerous Music have it right for me. They have been my benchmarks in all this for over a decade now. There are many ways to get to the finish line, and all kinds of clean to coloured summing boxes but nothing caught my attention quite like the MixDream and Dangerous Master. I needed something that didn't get in the way of Mastering but opened the door to mixing and colouring tracks needing extra flare. Hybrid done this way can, should cover all 3 worlds: recording, mixing, mastering.
    So, I also started researching mastering technology. I figure, if its good enough for mastering, its good enough for me ;)

    Dangerous Music became the core to everything else and from there its all evolved.
  7. Josh Conley

    Josh Conley Active Member

    dan kennedy is the man. he sourced schematics and some key components to prodigypro (now group diy) members for an MP20 clone, and made himself available for questions.
    mine will be ready to use in about 3 weeks.
  8. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    That's bazaar, I know the group all too well. I started it here and had to get rig of that group because of plagiarism and copy-write infringement posted and distributed through our forums and PM system of this forum.
    Dan is giving his schematics to them. I couldn't be more disturbed by that but, on the other hand I am also not surprised. I don't imagine a lot of those were sold. Designers love to hang with other designers. We just never think being ripped off will happen to us. I'm sure its much different now ;)
    I'd love to have an M20 as an extension to my rig. Let us know what the DIY group comes up with.
  9. Josh Conley

    Josh Conley Active Member

    yeah, i got into trouble sharing some mic mods on my website for some peeps there awhile back :) so i can see how easy that could grow legs and get away from you.
    its hard to predict who is tesla and who is edison when it comes to circuit designs.
    the guys at chandler told me to ^#$% right off when i asked, but eve anna manley herself emailed me a fully detailed schematic of an unnamed trans coupled mic pre a few years ago. how cool is that?

    more than a few people had successful builds of this clone but im just a little over my head and cant figure the how the psu and output tranny tie in.
    theres and old dude up the road a piece gon help me out next week.

    then well see how a kick & snare sound through it
    oh, why disturbed?
  10. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Re Why Disturbed: If my memory serves well, it was Manley who was the first of a few designers the gave infringement notices, The DIY isn't known for paying for things they can rip and so it goes... Maybe its an opportunity for free labour or added idea's. What better way to gather idea's than there.

    Its a cool box, I bet sounds great.
  11. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    I understand copyright and/or patent infringement... technically, there's no doubt that if you steal a design and market it as your own., that you are indeed guilty of infringement... but the other side of that argument for me is that the entire modern world was built on the foundation of improvement upon existing design ...translation: building a better mousetrap...

    I mean, if you really think about it, anyone...hell, for that matter, everyone who ever used a valve in their equipment was "infringing" on the original design and inventor (Edison? Nicolai? Who knows...)
    Josh Conley likes this.
  12. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    I agree
    What's ironic, disturbing,

    That group was the first to start screaming lawyers when I closed that forum. It was clear they were using this site to provide a method to channel questionable material to the public. They tried to hack our website after I closed it, causing my server to shut down . I received threats from that group.
    They were the worst bunch of hypocrites, unbelievable. Very reactive and revealing. The DIY area is grey. But, it some ways its no better than backward engineering on the black market. They are selling secretly so how is it different than Napster or offshore American technology being hacked and sold abroad, etc. I get DIY, but, don't like how it ends up usually. That group taught me a lot about people and the web (DIY for certain). I have my opinions on this one indeed and don't expect anyone to agree with me. But, I saw it for my own eyes.

    Who's working and making a living today ? It isn't the gear economy it used to be. I'm a bit protective of inventors and especially the boutique manufacturers. :)
  13. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    "Who's working and making a living today?"

    In the literal sense, I am. I'm working on this album, and I have a solo gig tonight, and I kinda wish I didn't ...because I'd rather continue working on this album LOL

    I just log on here every now and then, while I have tracks rendering and such... or, when I need a break - you know that point that you get to where you start deleting the wrong files... "Oh crap... that was a good take..."

    Thank God for the undo function. LOL
  14. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Right on

    But I'm generally speaking about this business in comparison to the past and more directed towards boutique products and off shore industry

    I appreciate DIY
    In fact I'm capable if making things myself too

    It's just ironic when people (as in using schematics etc ) become the very thing they charge others of that gets me

    I've alway been a big supporter in helping our boutique designers here
    It's a two road.
    Without them,
    We wouldnt have the studio gear we all use and learn from

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