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Greetings and a question about clicking

Discussion in 'Recording' started by ghostred7, Sep 24, 2012.

  1. ghostred7

    ghostred7 Active Member

    Greetings all. Found this site via Google search.

    I am based in Atlanta, GA. I have been playing guitar for approximately 26 years, a former US Army vet, and try to dabble in a little of everything. Otherwise, just chill most of the time.

    I am new to PC based recording. My setup is as follows

    Laptop w/ 4GB RAM, core 2 duo 2.6GHz (i think), Saffire Pro 40, Sonar X1 64bit, Win 7 64bit. When I record with this, I'm getting a weird "clicking" sound. I have posted this on other boards, and am trying some of those suggestions to no avail, but wanted some fresh ears on this. Per their suggestions, I've made sure all extra processes are off, internet is unplugged, wi-fi off, virus scanner/malware scanner disabled. This is what I'm getting:

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    I am getting this on both 48k/24bit and 96k/24bit (both on WDM). I have not tried using ASIO on this. My laptop plugs into the Saffire from the small firewire connection (into the bigger one on the Saffire). My band wants to record soon and really would like this ironed out if possible. Worse case scenario, I drag my desktop to where we jam and try again....but would like to see if i need to get a new laptop or if there's something I'm just missing.
  2. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    Hooah. Army Training, Sir!

    Welcome to RO. What do you have your ASIO buffer set at? Try increasing the buffer size and let us know the results. You will also want to turn off wireless networking and optimize your computer. Don't use the onboard firewire either most of the time. Use a PCI Express card adapter instead especially if the onboard firewire is a Ricoh chip. Some DAW programs require less optimization than others. (Reaper "requires" very little for instance). For a link to optimization check the sticky at the top of the computer forum.
  3. apstrong

    apstrong Active Member

    The Saffire Pro install should include Focusrite's/Saffire's ASIO drivers. I recommend you try them. Play with the buffer settings for that ASIO driver as Jackattack suggested.

    Here is a list of Focusrite's suggestions for optimizing Win 7 for audio recording: Optimising your PC for audio on Windows 7 .: Focusrite Answerbase There are other lists out there via google and the sticky jackattack mentioned.

    Sometimes changing to a firewire card with a Texas Instruments chipset can solve problems like this, and it has for me in the past, but I would leave that for last. First use the correct asio drivers and adjust buffer settings and optimize Windows for audio.
  4. ghostred7

    ghostred7 Active Member

    Thx all.
    I wasn't using ASIO at all....was using WDM in the DAW settings. I think I may go the firewire express card route and see if that helps....can't hurt, that's for sure.

    So, based on these....my steps tonight are:
    Further optimize
    Use ASIO
    If possible, acquire and try an express-card firewire adapter
    Get a new fw cable for good measure (was using a 14' one i have for video)
  5. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    Pretty much. I missed the lack of ASIO but that is absolutely the first step. WDM is a bane for audio. The 14' cable is not an issue provided it is in good shape. Firewire is capable of transmitting at much longer lengths than that in quality cables. I do usually keep spares myself for my remote jobs. In order of importance your list should read
    1) ASIO
    2) Buffer settings
    3) Optimize
    4) Cable
    5) FW adapter.
  6. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Sonar is a bit finicky and needs some setup before you press go. Go to Edit/Preferences/Playback and Recording. Under "Driver Mode" make sure you have selected ASIO. Under "Driver Settings", Playback Timing Master and Recording Timing Master should be set to ASIO Sapphire Pro 40 and ASIO Sapphire Pro 40 Mic 1 respectively. That should get you started. There are dozens of tweaks that you can do to change how Sonar works for you. This is where having the manual nearby really makes a difference.
  7. ghostred7

    ghostred7 Active Member

    What I did was essentially 1-4 in TheJackAttack's post. I dunno which part, or a combination of, but Tuesday I managed to get the clicking away. The other issues are bleed and line-out gain....but bleed has been reduced as much as possible and i'll talk to the bassist about the line-out gain. Thanks again for the input....now I just gotta learn how to mix LOL

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  8. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Recording sounds alright. Some of those chords are wrong though. Particularly in the bridge. some of the harmony parts in the second part of the verses are way off as well. As in out of key.
  9. ghostred7

    ghostred7 Active Member

    Good thing this was practice then, huh :p

    Pretty sure we don't have any songs close to 100% yet.

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