Group Project 8-)

Discussion in 'Mastering' started by Ammitsboel, Oct 17, 2004.

  1. Ammitsboel

    Ammitsboel Member

    While i was reading a 500 pages manual and adjusting tape guides today i thought about... is it time to make a new group project?

    Does anybody have a good idea?
    If we do a song/number again then why not bring on the artist's opinion of the different results?

    ...And let's have Don and Thomas with os this time... if they dare? :cool:

    Best Regards
  2. Ben Godin

    Ben Godin Active Member

    Although some may disagree, the previous project did become a competition, with each person's name being released so that everyone can judge everyone. So this time, lets do something that instead of benefiting our own names, we benefit the forum community as a whole, something that will help someone or something that will make this forum an even better place for musicians to come. :cool:
  3. Ammitsboel

    Ammitsboel Member

    Sounds ok, Do you have an idea for that?...
  4. TrilliumSound

    TrilliumSound Active Member

    That is great Ammitsboel, I am in again!

    Well, I could suggest one song from an artist that I know and will be willing to participate for the "Artists comments phase". The artists could also give some general ideas and comments before starting it as well.

    Let me know anyone if you are interested to the song. The style would be something like Rock / Progressive Rock mixed and ready to be Masterized.

    Good point bennyg, this will be more "neutral". Looks like the Group Projects will be better everytime...and probably more popular too.

  5. therecordingart

    therecordingart Well-Known Member

    I'm not a ME, but I'd like to try my hand being a part of this project....what are the details. Can any member take part?
  6. Michael Fossenkemper

    Michael Fossenkemper Distinguished past mastering moderator Well-Known Member

    I don't think the last one turned into a competition at all. The only reason we released the names was so 1) each would know who's is who's 2) so you can hear the different setups everyone has. I thought it was informative and was kept pleasant. Benny, even though you thought it got a little competitive, I bet you learned a lot from it. You work differently if you know you are going to be held accountable. Also if names are attached, it helps keep stupid stuff to a minimal.

    i'm up for another. But if we are going to involve a 3rd party, they are going to have to do some work. and be involved in the process and may have to pen several emails to each ME to give direction.

    I don't think it helps anyone not to know who's behind door 3. Don't you think it's better to be judged by your peers and get better? And not find out from clients that something isn't quite right? One of the biggest parts of an ME's job is translation. It's also one of the hardest. So I think it's a valuable tool to have other ME's listen to your work and give their opinions as to what's right and what's wrong. I think it's much better than someone saying "I don't know, it's not hitting me". Peers will give you more nuts and bolts observations. It's not Gospel but it might help.

    One thing we can do is release one master at a time and focus on that, without reference to another. this might take off some of the competitive edge that BennyG didn't like.
  7. soundfreely

    soundfreely Guest

    Competitive or not, I think that the last group project was a great learning experience. I think the idea of releasing one master at a time is great. It will hopefully bring about deeper reviews and more constructive criticism to every master. It would also likely be easier for the reviewer to digest one or maybe two masters at a time.
  8. Ben Godin

    Ben Godin Active Member

    i like soundfreely's idea of releasing one master at a time for more in depth criticism. That will make this round a much better learning expirience.

    Also since more and more people will now participate, its going to take a LONG time to review these songs, what about releasing them two at a time?
  9. TrilliumSound

    TrilliumSound Active Member

    Yeah, I think it is a good idea to go one (or two) at a time. It is also true that the last time, observations and critics were not in depth (well some of them). It was a fabulous experience anyway.

    Even with one at a time, we can say the names only at the end, till all the songs went through. That could be long though, if 2 or 3 persons did not put their feedbacks. Maybe we could fix a time limit for each song ?

  10. mixandmaster

    mixandmaster Active Member

    Sounds good to me. I didn't think the last one was least I didn't approach it that way. If people thought mine sucked last time, maybe they'll be surprised that mine is better the next time or the next time.

    Remember, that almost no one is going to gain/lose work from these exercises. We're all after each others gigs. ;) I, for one, like hearing how my approach stacks up to other mastering engineers. It helps keep me from getting too comfortable, and keeps me out of bad habits that I might not be aware of.
  11. splurge

    splurge Guest

    Hi Folks,

    I'm not an ME but would I love to have a crack at this. What happens next ?


  12. David French

    David French Well-Known Member

    This interests me quite a bit as well. I have always been fascinated by what you MEs do and am eager to learn. I understand that including non-MEs might be a bit opf a problem as it would probably drop the overall quality level of the project and increase the number of submissions which would slow the process, but perhaps the non-ME's could take a whack at 'mastering' the track but not make submissions. If we had access to the submissions, we could still learn quite a bit by comparing our work to the work of the pros. If specific techniques were discussed, this could really be an educational experience, but perhaps that's not what you guys want. Anyway, just some thoughts to consider. I think us non-MEs should be respectful to the wishes of the MEs above all since this is their project.
  13. Ed Littman

    Ed Littman Guest

    i'm in.
    it's always a learning experience.
  14. splurge

    splurge Guest

    "but perhaps the non-ME's could take a whack at 'mastering' the track but not make submissions. If we had access to the submissions, we could still learn quite a bit by comparing our work to the work of the pros"

    I think this is both sensible and fair, I'm more than happy to go along with this.


  15. Ben Godin

    Ben Godin Active Member

    Whats going on with this project, i haven't seen any change for weeks.
  16. TrilliumSound

    TrilliumSound Active Member

    You're right. I was waiting for some more feedback from anyone but it looks like everybody are busy.

    Well, for me I am in and I offered to provide a song and maybe an FTP site as well. Maybe we should ask officially, who'S in ?

    1- Trillium Sound (me) :wink:
  17. Ben Godin

    Ben Godin Active Member

    I'm always in :wink: ,

    1- Trillium Sound
    2- Bennyg

    What genre of song are we doing?
  18. TrilliumSound

    TrilliumSound Active Member

    Hi Bennyg,

    Great !

    "What genre of song are we doing?"

    We could have one Prog Rock style (with vocals) or Electric Jazz (instrumental).

    1- Trillium Sound
    2- Bennyg
    3- ?
  19. Michael Fossenkemper

    Michael Fossenkemper Distinguished past mastering moderator Well-Known Member

    What happened to the band giving directions thingamabob?
  20. Massive Mastering

    Massive Mastering Well-Known Member

    I suppose I could wander into this one...

    Put me down as "#3"

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