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Guitar Doubling

Discussion in 'Guitars' started by eonblue, Apr 11, 2006.

  1. eonblue

    eonblue Guest

    Can anyone tell me why when I record two guitar parts with no changes in amp settings or mic positions and pan them both hard to one side it sounds like shite(single sounds better than double. Double sounds hollow and distant)? If I pan one hard left and then one around 11 o'clock it sounds fine. Is this some kind of phase issue or frequency boosting thing or what? Do you generally want to change mic positions and/or eq settings on the amp when you double? What am I missing here?
  2. Zoro

    Zoro Guest

    I am not to sure about it, but I think it could be a Phase issue, try switching the phase on the left track, hope Ms. Remy is watching this post so we can get the rigth answer.

    Best Regasrds, Zoro. :)
  3. MadTiger3000

    MadTiger3000 Active Member

    Second on phase issue.
  4. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    Third on Phase. Or is it who's on third?
  5. eonblue

    eonblue Guest

    Well, the only problem with that is I thought you could only have phase issues when you were using two mics at once.....while in this case I am using the exact same setup twice on two takes. Who knows....at any rate....I would like to fix the issue as I doubling guitar tracks seems fairly integral to a big, thick guitar sound. Thanks.
  6. Randyman...

    Randyman... Well-Known Member

    Try re-tuning the guitar between takes. De-tune, and then come back up to pitch. Also, doubled takes usually work better if the 2 sounds differ (different Mic, placement, cabinet, different guitar).

  7. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    You can have phase issues with any two sets of signal. Could be the speakers are out of phase.....or the outputs' cables....its not just a microphone issue and it sounds like phasing to me the way you are describing the sound and how its relating to pan and such.
  8. CoyoteTrax

    CoyoteTrax Well-Known Member

    I totally agree with the others. It may sound ridiculous but phase issues can occur when doubling tracks. However, it could also just simply be a timing and performance issue where the 2 seperate performances just are not spot on and your timing was off enough to creat such a vast chorusing effect that it sounds like phasing when you've panned the 2 fully hard L and R (an issue that can be remedied by panning 1 track just inside "hard L/R) like you've done). Tighten up the performance a bit and see if that helps or compensate by doing what you've already done.

    Most multi-tracking applications have a phase button in the Trackview. If you do, try engaging that feature and listen for a difference to verify a phase issue.

    Also, you can greatly reduce your chances of introducing phase issues when doubling tracks by tracking in mono versus stereo.

    If you track using a mixer, the mixer could have summing issues that cause phase problems. That happens alot. In that case, tracking in true mono would greatly reduce chances of phase being a problem.
  9. Tommy P.

    Tommy P. Well-Known Member

    Showin yer age there bud!
  10. yea definately a phase issue. theres boosting and canceling issues. look on your board and search for a phase button. should correct any problems.

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