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guitar recording noise

Discussion in 'Guitars' started by cabeceira, Mar 31, 2009.

  1. cabeceira

    cabeceira Guest

    hi, i've tried to record my band but on overdrived guitar tracks i get a lot of annoying noise, i can work it arround a bit with EQ but the sound is just crappy :cry:

    I run a guitar into my pedals and then to a solid state fender FM65 i mic it with a condenser rode M3 and then into my tapco usb then i record it with my DAW
    note that i use the attenuator on the mic and i check the input gain so it dont clip

    my question is what is the problem?

    on the clean parts of guitar it sounds fine but when i step on my mxr OD the mix just sound noizy...

    i've thought about some possible problems; I need a tube amp or i need to use a dinamic mic but i have a cheap akg wirelless dinamic mic, and it sound worse than the M3.
    do i would get a better sound with the amp mic'ed with both mic simultaneously?

    also we are two guitarrists so i pan one guitar left and the other right and the mix dont have a lot of "room" and the sound is "thin" i guess is the best word to describe it. but only on distorted/OD parts

    so can somebody help me on how to get a nicer guitar sound and more fat mix, in other words, how the F*** do i get a decent sound?

    greetings
    c.miguel
     
  2. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    My mixes for two guitar parts started to sound fatter when I stopped panning them hard. Just pan them about halfway or a little more to either side and lower the level a bit. They will still reach the far edges of the mix, that's just how sound works, but it will sound empty if you pan them hard. And about the sound/noise, we can really only speculate without a sound clip of some sort.
     
  3. cabeceira

    cabeceira Guest

    can i post a sound clip here on the forum?
     
  4. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    Nahh, u gotta link from another site. I just signed up for this one today, mediafire.com supposedly you can upload and password protect files so people can't download them. Check it out.
     
  5. cabeceira

    cabeceira Guest

    so here's a short clip of my guitar with od

    http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=d0d452197fae76c0e5c3dee5769931ece04e75f6e8ebb871
     
  6. cabeceira

    cabeceira Guest

    actually the track i sent was with eq, so here's the file without eq

    http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=d0d452197fae76c0e5c3dee5769931ece04e75f6e8ebb871

    it gets that annoying sound
     
  7. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    You're driving something too hard. I'm guessing the recorder. That sound is digital clipping a.k.a. red-lining. Record at comfortable levels with peaks at -6dB, because you can't undo clipping but you can always boost the track later. If the mix is too quiet, raise the master, not the track.
     
  8. cabeceira

    cabeceira Guest

    im checking the signal so it dont clip, since my soundboard doesn't have meters i place a level meter first on my DAW's signal path and i make shure it stays with a confortable space under the clip line.

    any other ideas?
     
  9. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    List everything in your signal chain, including guitar and effects, amps, mics, signal processors/pres, computer interfaces and software. I have to go to school but I'll be back a little after noon, hopefully before then somebody else might chime in :D.
     
  10. cabeceira

    cabeceira Guest

    for that part i run a ibanez rg470 japan made, cheap but pretty good(mid range) into a mxr custom shop GT-OD (have a warm tone) and a couple of boss pedals bypassed, so the only active effect is the overdrive.

    i plug it into a "Solid State" (transistors) Fender FM65 amp, i mic'it with a rode m3 small diafragm condenser mic (i have a dinamic mic but it sounds crappy) then i plug the mic into a tapco link usb (it has mackie pre-amps built in) and plug the tapco device into my macbook running logic 8

    i cant find the problem :?
     
  11. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    I can't see a clip LED on the unit, without one you need to be careful how you set your levels. Try lowering the in level that the mic is set to. Also monitor from your DAW. I too use Logic! Isn't it great? You want your levels to dance in the yellow but not go towards the high end of the spectrum. This is fine as long as you are recording in 24 bit as the noise floor is lower. You change to 24 bit in logic audio preferences just in case you were wondering.
     
  12. cabeceira

    cabeceira Guest

    ive already post that the unit doesnt have a clip led and that i control the levels on the DAW that is not the problem... and i record i 24 bit

    anyone have any ideas?
     
  13. Codemonkey

    Codemonkey Well-Known Member

    Turn down your input.

    Then you can be sure you're not clipping an input.

    Worried about noise floor? Bah.

    With a noise floor of -40dB, you won't be able to hear it on most speakers, as soon as the music starts.
     
  14. cabeceira

    cabeceira Guest

    is not the floor noise that is bothering me if you listen to the clip you'll hear...
     
  15. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    I only mentioned noise floor because most people when they start out put the levels too high. Since you record in 24 bit and don't set your levels too high, then what's up? Have you tried to clean up your guitar signal chain? You say your signal goes through 4 or 5 pedals and only one is used? Those pedals, even though they aren't engaged they could color the sound or even add unwanted artifacts. You could gain more high end and clarity from not using so much cable and connectors as well. The key to good recording is less is more, use only that which you need.

    Record again paying more attention to tracking level and maybe clean up your signal chain and let us know what happens.
     
  16. Codemonkey

    Codemonkey Well-Known Member

    I agree with Guitarfreak.

    Turn your input down. <-- this is an instruction.
     
  17. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    Thanks :D
     
  18. cabeceira

    cabeceira Guest

    i reduced the input gain and the problem stays the same...
     
  19. Codemonkey

    Codemonkey Well-Known Member

    That eliminates that then.

    Something else is clipping. Record test tracks directly from each output (start with the amp, then add pedals one by one) and when they start to clip, that's the stage which is too loud.
     
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