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Headphone noise bleed into recording...

Discussion in 'Recording' started by freelight, Apr 3, 2005.

  1. freelight

    freelight Guest

    Lately I've been having a hard time controlling the bleed from my headphones into my recording mix. I like to put a live monitor into the guitar players headphone mix along with a click-track metronome. It's hard to get the right volume so the player is happy and there is no bleed...is there a way to prevent this noise bleed from the click-track in the headphone without dishing out $200 on top of the line Senn's or AKG's?

    most of the time after compressing the guitar track, the metronome isn't as noticable, but my condensers are still picking up the signal rather strongly...
     
  2. Groff

    Groff Active Member

    Use some closed back headphones and change the sample or freq of the click.
     
  3. shezan

    shezan Guest

    try using single side headphones..... or you can make your existing headphone single sided...in this way you don't have to give your musician the return from the computer or your recording device...he can have the headphone on one side and since one side is free he can hear wht he is singing or playing even better... i tried this,... really worked out for me..on most occasions...
     
  4. JBsound

    JBsound Guest

    Try the Sennheiser HD280's. They're very well isolated and only like $99.
     
  5. shezan

    shezan Guest

    i have sennheiser HD280 my self...they are really good
     
  6. freelight

    freelight Guest

    hey, thanks a lot guys i check out those Senn's you mentioned


    i have a pair of Behringer HPS3000 that are SUPOSSED to have good noise cancelation, but Behringer products are supossed to do a lot of stuff...and don't...haha

    oh, while i have a decent amout of people responding to this post i may aswell throw another question at you...

    i have an M Audio Delta 44 PCi card that i just recently replaced with a new and much better USB OmniStudio A/D, Monitor Control and heaphone amp unit, is there a way to run both of these together, perhaps with a patch or something? the Delta 44 doesnt have any spdif, and from what i understand thats the only way i could get them both to work simultaneously....

    thanks again
     
  7. JBsound

    JBsound Guest

    What software are you using?
     
  8. David French

    David French Well-Known Member

    A trick of mine is to go buy some $4.00 earbuds and put another pair of dummy headphones on over them. Absolutely no bleed. Sometimes earbuds alone will be quiet enough.
     
  9. bounce

    bounce Guest

    i agree with this approach (the high end of some cowbell type clicks will usually bleed through more than a low mid type sound such as a lower temple block or something. also here's a big tip i picked up somewhere:

    i have many pairs of sony 7506 headphones (picked them up years ago but don't really like them as much anymore- actually they kind of annoy me big time with their smiley face eq) and they needed replacement ear foam. i researched replacement parts from sony and they are $10 a pair for new ear pads. 's not bad, but in my search i found someone who had replaced theirs with Koss ear pads ($5 per pair directly from koss- took like 2 days shipping). now, i don't care about spending an extra $5 for the better ear pads but this person mentioned that the koss ones had much better isolation so i bought some. you know what? they were absolutely right and these ear pads are thicker, look all meaty and stuff, easily stick on with peel off adhesive, and have MUCH better isolation. highly recommended and they have different sizes so will probably fit other phones. maybe this tip will save some folks from buying new headphones just because of the pads or leakage. i do really like those senn 280's though, if i remember. i also have akg 240's, sony V6's (not 600) which are the same drivers as the 7506's, and some fostex T20's. for my mp3's and laptop remote work (composing, etc.) i use the little sony fontopia in ear jobs and REALLY like those little mamas ($40- great for airplanes as well cuz they block out a lot of outside noise- just make sure you try the different size ear pods to find the ones that fit you snugly for the best bass response)!

    mckay
     
  10. stickers

    stickers Active Member

    although ive never done this..wrap a large towell around their heads with the head phones on. So what if they look like a Middle east camel jockey.
     
  11. rrybaker

    rrybaker Guest

    I have had success with the in ear buds with a set of dummy headphones on as well. A very cheap, but effective way to reduce bleed.
     
  12. freelight

    freelight Guest

    haha i don't know about the towel wrap thing, but i'll try that ear bud - dummy headphone idea, makes sense to me...except the sound quality off ear buds are pretty poor....so it looks like ill just have to grab a nice pair of close back headphones...

    for my click track i just use the default MIDI click provided with Nuendo 2.2....i probably should change it, perhaps something with a more low end frequency

    thanks again guys...
     
  13. Boltino

    Boltino Guest

    You could also use the "Lars Ulrich Method" (This only works if you were a childhood tennis prodigy)

    Step 1 - get a hold of some huge 80's headphones (they should extend at least 4" out from your noggin)

    Step 2 - put a tennis headband on the outside of the headphones, securely fastening the headphones to your head

    Step 3 - try your best to look intimidating, despite the weird looking contraption on your head


    Seriously, I use the HD280s a lot with no bleed. I also have a pair of Extreme Isolation Headphones from Direct Sound ($99). They don't sound nearly as flat as the Sennheisers, but they are gauranteed not to bleed (they are basically gun mufflers with drivers in them). Good Luck!


    Wes
     
  14. maintiger

    maintiger Well-Known Member

    I also recommend the senn 280's if you want to keep the track out of your recordings
     
  15. Midlandmorgan

    Midlandmorgan Active Member

    Turn down the cue send... :shock:

    Actually what I have to be careful with is sometimes I'll leave unused unattended headphones with the volume still up...and strangely, if they are in the wrong place at the wrong time, will bleed over...so many times your overdub person is perfectly innocent....OK, once in a while... :lol:

    I like the earbud idea/dummy cans idea....there are some earbuds floating around for portable CD users that actually sound pretty dad-gum decent...
     
  16. axel

    axel Guest

    280's damn good and cheap'ish
    for recording / monitoring, to have something seriously better than those you have to ditch at least more than double the money out!
     
  17. tots

    tots Guest

    "I also have a pair of Extreme Isolation Headphones from Direct Sound ($99)."

    I second these. They're great.
     
  18. TheStudioRat

    TheStudioRat Guest

    A kick in the head

    I usually use a kick drum sample as the "click" and have never had a problem with bleed. It's also not so sharp on the ears as some of the "stock" click sounds.
     

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