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Help.. de-essing/Noise gates.. how/when to?

Discussion in 'Recording' started by Damohonda, Oct 16, 2003.

  1. Damohonda

    Damohonda Guest

    HI anyone help?

    Heres the scenario....
    project studio, recording a demo

    I recorded a female vocal with a decent mic (AKG C4000) I tend to record clean with no effects or compression, and add later.

    Whilst she was overdubbing, she had one earphone on and one off...

    The mic picked up the background noise of the tracks she was listening to through the headphones.. un-be-known to me..not much of a problem until mix down...I'm using Logic Platinum with VST plug in effects on this demo.

    When I compressed her vocal to fatten it up, it raised the background noise and gave it a nasty hiss.. now, how do i get rid of it?

    I tried de-essing which worked to an extent and also a noise gate but i'm unsuccessful with that... its too choppy... Is there a specific default setting, or will attack and release help? if so what should i try, and what settings?

    Should I have gated it in the first place whilst recording?

    I also have a behringer (budget range) mic pre-amp which has de-esser, gate, tube compressor e.t.c. I usually use this out board gear when recording on a tape machine-during mix down... Should I have used this whilst recording?

    Any help please?
     
  2. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Take the compression off the vocal, then de ess it and add a little expansion or noise gateing. The compress it after all of that. Compression brings out background / lower level stuff. Add the other processing first then add the comp..
     
  3. AudioGaff

    AudioGaff Well-Known Member

    You can't. You can somewhat reduce it, you can somewhat mask it, you can over process it with outboard and plugs until your blue in the face and your DAW slows down and chokes, but you'll never get rid of it. The easiest thing to do and and the best thing to do is to re-record the vocal and do it right. After that, you consider it a lesson learned so that it doesn't happen again.
     
  4. tripnek

    tripnek Active Member

    I have to agree with AG. Wow! Did I say that. LOL. Seriously, chalk it up to experience and re-record the vocal. If that's not possible, you may try using the Waves Restoration Plugins. They work good for "Hiss" but it will degrade the top end of the vocal somewhat. Best to just go back and do it right.
     
  5. Damohonda

    Damohonda Guest

    "Take the compression off the vocal, then de ess it and add a little expansion or noise gateing. The compress it after all of that. Compression brings out background / lower level stuff. Add the other processing first then add the comp.."

    I've tried the above but still having a problem with the threshold on the gate... Do I need better attack/hold release settings? Any idea as to a good recommended default? which is better expanders or gates?
    Finally... should I have recorded with a noise gate in the first place?

    thanks for your time...

    Lee

    [ October 17, 2003, 05:38 PM: Message edited by: Kurt Foster ]
     
  6. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Lee, What kind of gate are you using? Does it have any filters on the detector circut?

    ps, I mistakenly punched edit on your post instead of the " quote " marks.. sorry
     
  7. Damohonda

    Damohonda Guest

    Hi

    I'm actually using a logic Audio plug-in.
    I do have other VST gates.

    Should I record with gates in the first place?

    Lee
     

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